Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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kris kobach commits rookie mistake, gets caught in front of cameras with an important paper showing:

https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/800806633865674752

and what's on the paper is bad.

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

i kinda feel that may have been intentional - a dog whistle to the alt-right

, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link

i'm trying not to let 'chess game psyops' type ideas take up too much brainspace tbh

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

few here are from Wyoming or Alaska. but then, few people are from there period.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, November 21, 2016 8:44 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was it those 2 states that came up on University Challenge tonight as having less population than Leeds but greater size than the UK. I think it was definitely Wyoming and one other.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

3d election map!

http://metrocosm.com/election-2016-map-3d/

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link

meanwhile, in north carolina:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/11/21/pat_mccrory_is_trying_to_steal_the_north_carolina_governorship.html

, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link

the Mike Conczal piece goole linked is great. one of my favourite writers

flopson, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:35 (seven years ago) link

3d election map!

http://metrocosm.com/election-2016-map-3d/

― goole, Monday, November 21, 2016 4:29 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

3d is cool but the cartograms mentioned are just so meaningless to me, idgi

http://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-cartogram-purple.png
http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/538-hexagon-cartogram.png

538 had a bunch of other stupid visualizations too. idk maybe they are extremely useful to other people but i really don't have a hard time looking at a regular map and knowing that some states/counties are more populous than others

marcos, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link

(obv the warped one on the left is what im talking about among the first two)

marcos, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

some states are hard to see on a regular map because they are very small

sarahell, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

i was talking with my gf the other night about how every country pays so much attention to the USA and we pay absolutely no attention to any of them. this quote in the times in a piece about 'voters that didn't vote and don't regret it in milwaukee' threw me for a loop:

As for Mrs. Clinton, “other countries probably wouldn’t have respected us because we had a woman running the country,” he said.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/eca5b3f03be168c6b3e6ec526067fd90ae7bcfe3/r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2013/04/08/gty-2628488-4_3.jpg

flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:39 (seven years ago) link

(obv the warped one on the left is what im talking about among the first two)

― marcos, Monday, November 21, 2016 4:38 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

baahh i mean right not left

marcos, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link

John Manoogian III, who did that great chart categorizing cognitive biases, design this election map that I like better:

https://medium.com/@jm3/the-2016-election-map-1c437fe4fd2a#.6ca0el4xo

https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/2000/1*Z5bbBDKOls8gqUiJ2VjglQ.png

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

Trumpland goes full neo-nazi...

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

i mean yeah white people deserve most of the blame for the outcome of this election obviously. deciding to focus on white women kind of makes me believe the speaker has certain ideas or assumptions about how women should be voting based on their gender xp

― k3vin k., Monday, November 21, 2016 1:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with this & don't: I think there's an important point to be made abt whiteness trumping (no pun) gender that a lot of people didn't even *realize* was true. Even though white women have voted this way in tons of elections.

I'll admit to having to check myself when I saw these results a bit for a gender based / buried misogynist response to an extent, in part b/c this felt kind of like a repudiation of that "kill all men" twitter misogynist-troll meme that went around for awhile, like, we need to think constellationally about this stuff. (Nothing like a good "kill men" meme in the background of a bunch of racist police shootings....) There's definitely a strain of white feminism which makes it seem as if women vote in a bloc as consistently as black people, and they don't; they buy into the system as a majority. & I think that does force ppl to think constellationally, systemically, about identity as a political organizing principle & how it functions idk

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link

Point being, while there's always going to be a misogynist strain when any group of women is singled out (I mean, they're only really being singled out against the backdrop of white men being the actual worst) but I think there are some very good reasons why people are pointing at this and saying, "we need to think about it."

Also this is literally the first election cycle I've ever seen anyone talk about it before, even though it's been happening for years and years!

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

I think my actual take-away from this election is that people who don't live in cities need to be forced to move to cities

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link

living in small town america or the middle of nowhere is psychically damaging to people

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link

that's already happening, it's called gentrification and it has lots of negative consequences

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link

I haven't really seen focusing blame on white women so much as surprise that the potential first woman President didn't move the needle more than it did. 'Blame' as such should be reserved for rural voters (predominately white as a class, obv) and the hypocrisy and insanity of evangelical/fundie Christians.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, November 21, 2016 2:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cf this milo post, which inverts "race" and "ruralism"—blame should be reserved for white voters (predominantly rural—as in, distant from black people)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:03 (seven years ago) link

living anywhere is psychically damaging

flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link

probably best to live in an apartment with Melville novels.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link

i think you find whenever you try to single out a demographic that doesn't revolve around "whiteness" it's actually sleight of hand (often subconscious) to disguise "whiteness" as the source

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link

has anyone looked into #pizzagate?

speaking of bubbles

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news/protecting-donald-trump/index.html

it's gonna cost $1 million a day for trump & family to continue to live in NYC

, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link

i seriously doubt trump is going to continue to live in NYC and i'm sure his wife and kid will move to DC, if not by january then definitely by the end of the school year. michelle obama seriously considered staying with the girls in chicago after obama won in 08 as well

k3vin k., Monday, 21 November 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link

somehow imo this is the most offensive thing Trump has done since election day- yeah right you love new york, get fucked

flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link

as a rural southerner this election disappointed the fuck out of me on a number of levels, and one of them - maybe not the most important yet almost debilitatingly depressing to think about - is the status of the country black person. and my own guaranteed dead cert advantage in life, passed down to me generationally, in the theft of their labor and denial of basic personhood. and now the category basically doesn't exist because why would it, fuck these hicks i'm going to chicago. before he died about 20 years ago my great-uncle herben told me about his childhood, and how one of his best friends was an old former slave who taught him how to shoot and how to fish in southern georgia. he told me about the gullah geechees and their stories and music. i never knew these people and never would. we make such a big goddamn deal in this country about 'COUNTRY!!!" and big pickup trucks and "the heartland" and haybales and shit and it's a story that A) shuts black people out of it completely yet B) would not be possible without the massive generational work of literally millions of black people out in the country, working the land, being the ones who knew how shit worked. and now i look at these maps where the countryside is just red red red and it's like OK you got your genocide guys what more do you fucking want.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link

that "kill all men" twitter misogynist-troll meme that went around for awhile

I would be interested in hearing about this, or what you think this is.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link

i think it prob served a few difft purposes: therapeutic venting, trolling misogynists (as i tried to imply glibly), forcing men to recognize their level of complicity in patriarchy, etc. But i suspect people didn't consider the insensitivity of its viral potential against a backdrop of police shootings of black men. xp

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link

fwiw i'm not the first person to make that argument or something, i saw numerous ppl bring up the poor timing of the meme

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link

Trump just had a meeting with press figures in Trump Tower:

"he executives and news personalities spotted entering Trump Tower included NBC's Deborah Turness and Lester Holt; MSNBC’s Chuck Todd; CNN's Jeff Zucker and Wolf Blitzer; Fox News' Bill Shine, Jack Abernethy, Jay Wallace and Suzanne Scott; CBS' John Dickerson, Charlie Rose, Gayle King and Norah O'Donnell; and ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, David Muir and Martha Raddatz."

timellison, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:31 (seven years ago) link

Clarence Thomas' memoir, of all places, has one of the few evocations of Geechee life I've found.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link

few here are from Wyoming or Alaska. but then, few people are from there period.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, November 21, 2016 3:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There are more people in my county of Ohio then there are in those two states combined, frankly they shouldn't get any EV at all.

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link

(That's a joke just in case The Usual Suspects decide to say something stupid)

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link

Donald Trump's media summit was "a fucking firing squad," according to the New York Post

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link

omg

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link

sac up you idiots

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link

is this real???????? are we all living the same goddamn dream????

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link

huck Todd asked some pretty pointed questions. David Muir asked how are you going to cope living in DC while your family is in NYC?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link

David Muir asked a pretty pointed question

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link

Jesus christ

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

gonna be a long goddamn four years

cucky ramen-o (will), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

we already knew the media was completely worthless and yet it's still somehow disconcerting to read that

Mordy, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link

those pictures esp at the bottom. wolf blitzer.

Mordy, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link

It is completely beyond me why any self respecting journalist would wiggle his way up to Trump's lair to be shouted down.

This is not happening, right?

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link

y'all don't think it made them bind together

a (waterface), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that we're all probably better served by an adversarial media right now

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link

i mean they thought they were going for access and they got yelled at

a (waterface), Monday, 21 November 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link


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