Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

I imagine this election has encouraged a lot of great people to enter local politics with no intention of ever moving beyond that point.

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, November 21, 2016 1:17 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm... i was really enthusiastic about our green party candidate for Mayor, and he got an impressive amount of the vote (22,000 to the winner's 128,000).

i imagine this election has discouraged a lot of great people from ever entering politics, let alone running for president

― flappy bird, Monday, November 21, 2016 6:14 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

while also encouraging world record holding narcissists to run like kanye

Donald, Imma let you finish, but Grover Cleveland was the best president of all time. OF ALL TIME!

I actually think this election will lead to a huge number of people considering running for office as democrats with an eye to moving beyond local. I predict a candidate "baby boom" of sorts.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307063-fec-hits-trump-on-1100-campaign-errors-worth-13m

http://i.imgur.com/B34TOIa.png

the last time white women voted for a democrat was 1996

that bad boy charm

yeah uh what's up with that?

seriously- why???

Graph strongly suggests it helps if you kill a Democratic president.

some analysis here http://fusion.net/story/370440/white-women-racism-donald-trump/

xp - for the same reasons white men generally vote Republican?

I asked the question on the pre-election thread. I haven't read anything convincing.

Rs are the Daddy party.

I don't know why anyone is surprised anymore when white people do stupid and unexplainable things.

It's kind of our thing.

restrict my rights, daddy

I don't see it as particularly unexplainable? Stupid, sure, but logical. White women are subject to the same cultural forces that push white men toward the GOP - religious fundamentalism, rural cultural isolation, various fears of other people.

I don't know the polling on it but even on 'women's issues' it's not like there's a shortage of anti-choice women or women eager to blame or ignore victims of sexual assault.

at least thru '60s most women felt obligated to follow their husbands' lead; not an apparent big change perhaps, aside from less universal coupling

When Patricia Arquette caused the mini-uproar at the Oscars (gay men and people of color need to start supporting women, etc.), a friend just refused to believe there was any reason that was controversial. As a progressive white woman who associated with other progressive women socially and politically, she had zero idea of the levels of opposition to marriage equality and anti-racism among women/white women.

http://i.imgur.com/3W0SuSJ.jpg

there's been a lot of finger-pointing by men of all races at "white women" over the past couple of months and i always find it a bit uncomfortable, even if i get what they're saying

well, yeah

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4255c2daf3ec43aaac959b43864b3e98/an-aryan-type-mother-with-her-two-children-in-a-poster-which-urges-g39jhf.jpg

I don't know why anyone is surprised anymore when white people do stupid and unexplainable things.

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, November 21, 2016 11:21 AM (nineteen minutes ago)

see also: that thing white ppl do when they disparage white ppl

sympathy level for white people feeling uncomfortable that people are pointing out that the majority of them who participated in this election voted for white supremacy is currently hovering at zero

yeah that's not what i was saying. men singling women out implicitly because they should have "known better" or whatever is kind of nagl imo

i feel like it's another way for white people who are used to being the center of attention to remain the center of attention.

Press Releases
Gabbard Statement on Meeting with President-Elect Donald Trump
November 21, 2016
New York, NY—U.S. Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02) today released the following statement on her meeting with President-elect Donald Trump regarding Syria:

"President-elect Trump asked me to meet with him about our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy challenges we face. I felt it important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect now before the drumbeats of war that neocons have been beating drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government—a war which has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives and forced millions of refugees to flee their homes in search of safety for themselves and their families.

“While the rules of political expediency would say I should have refused to meet with President-elect Trump, I never have and never will play politics with American and Syrian lives.

“Serving the people of Hawaiʻi and our nation is an honor and responsibility that I do not take lightly. Representing the aloha spirit and diversity of the people of Hawaiʻi, I will continue to seek common ground to deliver results that best serve all Americans, as I have tried to do during my time in Congress.

“Where I disagree with President-elect Trump on issues, I will not hesitate to express that disagreement. However, I believe we can disagree, even strongly, but still come together on issues that matter to the American people and affect their daily lives. We cannot allow continued divisiveness to destroy our country.

“President-elect Trump and I had a frank and positive conversation in which we discussed a variety of foreign policy issues in depth. I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world. It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al-Qaeda, and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia which could result in a nuclear war. We discussed my bill to end our country’s illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government, and the need to focus our precious resources on rebuilding our own country, and on defeating al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist groups who pose a threat to the American people.

“For years, the issue of ending interventionist, regime change warfare has been one of my top priorities. This was the major reason I ran for Congress—I saw firsthand the cost of war, and the lives lost due to the interventionist warmongering policies our country has pursued for far too long.

“Let me be clear, I will never allow partisanship to undermine our national security when the lives of countless people lay in the balance."

i mean yeah white people deserve most of the blame for the outcome of this election obviously. deciding to focus on white women kind of makes me believe the speaker has certain ideas or assumptions about how women should be voting based on their gender xp

Gross

Not what kev said. What tulsi gabbard said.

I haven't really seen focusing blame on white women so much as surprise that the potential first woman President didn't move the needle more than it did. 'Blame' as such should be reserved for rural voters (predominately white as a class, obv) and the hypocrisy and insanity of evangelical/fundie Christians.

would think a candidate who routinely rates woman on a scale of 10 would've moved the needle some too

yeah i was just curious- i don't get it

You can't guess someone's beliefs and values based on their gender. It doesn't break down that cleanly.

it's just that when DT said gross things about women and Latinos the 'cw' [sic] was "obviously he's going to get historically low % of women and Latino vote." Let's not say these things again.

fantasizing about alternate reality where Dems hammer GOPers for unwilling to utter the phrase "radical white terrorists"

eh, gabbard is like an old school democrat; she was opposed to same sex marriage for a long time too, and her dad is a republican. but she has some evolving views and there are thingsa bout her that are good. I have little doubt that she and trump actually agree on anything re: syria though, because Trump doesn't have any actual real thoughts on Syria.

and over 30% of hispanic men voted for Trump even though he accused Mexican immigrants of being rapists. Identity politics are sometimes complicated!

and how racist it is to group people of Cuban, Mexico, Central American, etc. descent into a monolithic demographic and make expectations of that group.

Trump's numbers are much worse when you eliminate Cubans - so while there are major differences in attitudes among other groups, they're much closer to expectations.

would think a candidate who routinely rates woman on a scale of 10 would've moved the needle some too

― frogbs, Monday, November 21, 2016 3:05 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the more vulgar aspects of trump's misogyny (grab em by the pussy etc) while obv offensive to a whole lot of people just don't really faze many others. we previously had some standards about what is acceptable for a presidential candidate to say but ultimately americans are kind of a vulgar people. we watch a TON of porn, view counts in the billions, this shit is like the most popular content on the web among both men and women right? trump's "locker room talk" i think probably sounded pretty tame to a lot of people

i think that's right and the "when you're famous they let you" sounded close enough to establishing consent that ppl who wanted an excuse to dismiss it as more msm hysteria had one

yeah I have seen that explanation from facebook commenters and such. There's also still a pretty ingrained idea of "oh well powerful men are always going to be like that."

which is true, and maybe why ppl should have voted for the woman

and over 30% of hispanic men voted for Trump even though he accused Mexican immigrants of being rapists. Identity politics are sometimes complicated!

― sarahell, Monday, November 21, 2016 2:15 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the numbers for hispanic turnout seen from exit polls have been put into question. i don't think we know these numbers with perfect accuracy and my not for a while

with overall turnout depressed from '12 and certainly from '08 (right? even accting for pop growth?), one way to look at it is that only the hardcore committed turned out, and the less politically-motivated, that obama had success in bringing out, stayed home this time.

any way you cut it i think this idea of trump "increasing share" among people of color needs to be taken with some skepticism

it is certainly possible tho.

Trump looking into fixed elections is going to be like OJ looking for the real killer.

apparently gabbard is under consideration for UN ambassador, which would be pretty great considering the alternatives and also i'm sure hawaii could elect someone with more orthodox progressive views to take her place

idk if watching a lot of porn is the best example of how Americans are vulgar and tolerate vulgarity, because that's something people tend to do in private. Mainstream television is a better indicator.

any way you cut it i think this idea of trump "increasing share" among people of color needs to be taken with some skepticism

I'm definitely not saying he increased his share among people of color, just that people would "expect" that the support would be much much lower than it was.

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/how-the-vote-broke-in-historical-perspective/508352/

I work in the election industry—on the counting side, not the political side. When I went to sleep on election night, Trump’s lead was a million votes and climbing. This was not my preferred outcome, but I accepted the selection of the people—only it wasn’t, as it turns out.

My calculation today gives Clinton a 2.5 million vote margin when everything is counted. (Vote-by-mail states count slowly—more paper handling for mail-ins. California has three million uncounted ballots, one million in LA County (3 to 1 for Clinton) and another half-million in San Diego County (3 to 2 for Clinton).) She may also pick up more votes in other vote-by-mail states out west—think Oregon, Washington, Colorado.

...

The narrative on election night was all how Clinton turned victory to defeat, her campaign overconfident, her voters staying home, and her herself unable to best perhaps the least capable candidate ever nominated by a major party.

The numbers in Florida and California just do not support that evaluation. In both places, turnout was up over 8 percent. She pulled a 930K vote lead in counties covering 58 percent of the state’s voters, counties where Obama ran up a 770K margin that enabled him to win a 70K victory in 2012. Her lead failed because Trump himself ran up a million vote margin in the remaining rural counties, beating Romney’s numbers by 350K. Hilary lost Florida, but she and Trump engaged the voters.

In California, she will nearly double Trump's tally, and out-poll Obama (the 2008 and 2012 version) by about three percentage points. She will receive nine million plus votes in California. These are the votes pushing her national total two million and more votes past that of the President-elect.

She will not be inaugurated two months hence, not in virtue of a pitiful campaign. She wasn’t perfect, and sometimes not very good, but she received support from enough of the republic to win the office in any universe not governed by an 18th century compromise with the slave-owning aristocrats of the Carolinas and Virginia.

She has 2.5 million more votes than the person who will be inaugurated. That is not a close margin.

This is what a democratic crisis looks like.