Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

instead, should have focused on trump as a con man - trump U allegations, but also as someone who doesn't pay his workers, takes advantage of tax loopholes, etc. - seems like this is a much more 'universal' message - if there's one thing all americans hate, it's getting conned / fits into a 'fight fire with fire' strategy vis a vis hillary's 'corruption' charges re: emails and clinton foundation

what really sucks about this is that Hillary was pretty much an open book on this, all the information about her and the foundation was out there, along with thousands and thousands of hacked emails - meanwhile Trump volunteered effectively nothing about himself, we know essentially nothing about him or his business dealings, in fact the only thing we really know is through Fahrenthold who found that Trump has given essentially nothing to charity (despite his frequent claims otherwise) and that his foundation engaged in some blatantly illegal behavior. and yet Clinton gets the image of being "corrupt". so like....why bother volunteering information about yourself anymore? apparently people don't care.

Yeah. There was too much confusion and misinformation this election so people weren't able to see the candidates clearly. From an objective standpoint Trump is much less transparent and much more dishonest but the deluge of bad info, I guess, obscured this for people

Good mourning!

My parents tell me their friends said things like, "both are corrupt," as if that settled it

giant meteor 2016 amirite

Holy shit, has Trump said which church he has joined yet? Because he better do that really fucking soon before people start to think he's a Muslim.

Nasty thing is if behaviour during this campaign now allows future candidates to be as unforthcoming about important details. I really don't like the idea of precedents being set for the ability to do wrong and get away with it.

How's he going to drain the swamp if he's the main seepage?

I was really irritated with anyone who said "lesser of two evils". your evil detector is seriously broken if one of these candidates didn't register off the charts for you.

TOMBOT!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-government-workers-benefits-and-job-security/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fedworkers-9a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

The militantly anti-labor direction this is heading is just so predictable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-everyone-who-isnt-rich-and-then-wonder-for-four-years-why-their-garbage-isnt-being-collected-and-why-they-cant-buy-food-anymore/

On Saturday evening, fans of Broadway’s smash hit “Hamilton” poured into downtown Chicago’s PrivateBank Theatre for a showing put on by the musical’s traveling cast.

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Presumably, everyone was excited to see the show — tickets, after all, soared to more than $600 for some seats.

John Palmer, 56, was presumably not in this number, though.

In the song “Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down),” the cast sings “Immigrants / We get the job done.” When the cast reached this line at the Chicago show, the crowd cheered, as has become commonplace.

Palmer, by contrast, stood and yelled profanities, audience member Brea Hayes told the Chicago Tribune. He continued ranting for two songs, according to Chicago Tribune reporter Jodi Cohen, who happened to be in attendance.

During the song “Dear Theodosia,” Palmer allegedly yelled, “We won. You Lost. Get over it. F— you.” He was escorted from the theater with little incident, although he allegedly initially resisted.

“He started raising his voice and throwing up middle fingers at anyone who looked at him, including me and my best friend,” audience member Ken Keacher told pop culture website Pajiba.

Kate Hoyt, who was with Keacher, said, “He was saying things like, ‘We won. Trump is president. Get over it.’ At some point Ken (Keacher) leaned into the aisle to try and tell him to leave and the guy then put up both his fists and said, ‘Let’s go, Democrats. I’ll kill you all.’ ”

Venue staff members told Broadway World that he was intoxicated. Palmer was charged with one misdemeanor count of criminal trespass to land after causing a disturbance at the performance and refusing to leave and has an initial court date set for Jan. 9, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

(Worth noting that this, the WaPo account, was better reported than the Trib account ... even though a Trib writer was in attendance! And also, fuck you, WaPo, this is no traveling cast, this is our very own stationary 'Hamilton,' you dummies.)

Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I don't recall regularly reading stories about Obama supporters being such sore winners in '08 or '12. I guess electing someone with an untreated profound personality disorder to the office of president kinda upends the notion that public demonstrations of psychological imbalance are socially unacceptable, huh. The near future is gonna be a blast!

Republicans inevitably cite Obama turning to McCain sometime in 2009 during a contentious meeting to remind him, "John, remember I won."

What they miss is that the GOP had denied his legitimacy since November 2008.

The militantly anti-labor direction this is heading is just so predictable.

― Treeship, Monday, November 21, 2016 9:30 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm sorry to say but our choices have been quietly vs militantly anti-labor for some time now. That's part of our problem.

aka Dems v Repugs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/how-donald-trump-will-retrofit-midtown-manhattan-as-a-presidential-getaway/?utm_term=.87a2f37bd544&wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1

lol what a waste of taxpayer dollars

Companies are going to flee out of the city

USFL : Trump's insistence upon moving to a fall schedule :: NYC : Trump's insistence upon continuing to reside in Trump Tower

Trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone and will stubbornly wreck anything and everything to ensure he gets what he wants, no matter how stupid the thing he wants may be.

Maybe the wall was a metaphor and Trump was trying to tell everyone that because of him, "America" ends here.

maybe it's the modern security state that is dumb and if trump wants to run his presidency in NYC he should be allowed to with minimum fuss and if he's assassinated bc of lax security so be it.

Definitely a great argument for lax security.

I'm sort of surprised to hear anyone actually buys anything in those Fifth Ave stores -- I thought they were mostly there as brand-establishers/advertisements.

fifth avenue is incredibly busy this time of year

Any attempt to "reform" the federal civil service without support of the unions AND management (yes there's a civil service management association - because in government, management is a just another layer of labor, because lol hueg) will die in court just like everything they attempted under Dubya

Even Newt Gingrich's comment seemed to subtly acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to just jump in there and gut it.

Who says Trump even has to do any of the things he said he's going to do? He could do nothing and say he succeeded and a huge percentage of the population would either believe him or just yawn. And anything that goes wrong he could just blame on Obama and Clinton and the cast of Hamilton.

I don't think the blaming-your-predecessor stuff is gonna work so well tbh

there's gonna be some kind of crisis/calamity/unforeseen event, he's going to totally fuck it up, and his numbers will tank

a scenario I find much more likely than him successfully implementing any of his half-formed "ideas" and experiencing blowback

Don't like to think about it, but first mass shooting... how will he manage that?

"Hate to say I predicted this but this is why you need to elect me as--- wait what? Uh. Oh fuck."

mass shootings, protests against police brutality, hurricane disasters - - - basically anything calamitous that comes along is an invitation for him to say a spree of incredibly stupid things on Twitter, complaining about how the media keeps focusing on these negative things while he's making america great again without fanfare. iow exactly the same as the election but one has to imagine it might play SLIGHTLY differently coming from a sitting president who people expect to be solving the problems. dunno though.

he'll make some dumb comment about how a vigilant gunholder could've saved the day and that will be that unti the next mass shooting. mass shootings occur regardless of what the president says as we've learned

I'm more concerned about what terrorist attack or mass shooting w/ an Islamist shooter will provoke from him

fallows is okay with mattis as defense secretary fwiw https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/800737961943953408

take yr comforts where you can find em i guess

that politico piece about PA voters made it pretty clear Trump's on the clock. Batter up, Donnie

I think him taking credit for the Ford plant not moving to Mexico is a good preview of how his presidency is going to go

I really cannot imagine a scenario which doesn't result in him having historically low approval ratings - Dems are absolutely not going to turn around on this guy, and I can't imagine conservatives giving him too many chances, he's already blowing his political capital by hiring some of the absolute dumbest people he can find. He promised too much and insulted too many and has thus far shown zero indication that he's up for the job. I mean already he's talking about living part time at Trump Tower which is so fucking dumb. I predict that the honeymoon is gonna be over real quick.

Mattis has a good reputation with the ForeignPolicy.com crowd AFAIK.

tbh I don't get the stuff that pops up occasionally now among liberals that's already anointing Trump as teflon and everything he says or does will be greeted with a yawn and/or support.

Hillary is going to clear the popular vote by almost 2 million with terrible unfavorables and would be the President if not for James Comey - be afraid of what the GOP can do with all three branches of government but why start acting like public opinion is lost and people are primed to follow Trump into the abyss?

would be the President if not for James Comey

KEEP A-GOIN'

During congratulatory phone call, Trump asks Argentine president to expedite permits on some building projects: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1958082-revelan-que-trump-le-pidio-permiso-a-macri-para-hacer-una-torre

(NB I am relying on TPM's characterization and the rather clunky Google Translate version of this article)

man sure glad we spent weeks gauging Clinton's potential conflicts of interest when Trump's were so much more blatant and widespread, especially since we know he's not gonna make a good faith effort to resolve any of it

lol @ us learning about all this in foreign papers

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/138888/no-bernie-sanders-didnt-ask-supporters-ditch-identity-politics

looking forward to more bad-faith engagements with this sort of stuff for the next...forever

Trump is meeting with that congresswoman from hawaii who was on the bernie train early on... good luck with that bipartisanship don

She is a Republican darling anyway, tbh.

This was from July:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/the-bernie-endorsing-congresswoman-who-trump-fans-can-love.html

i imagine this election has discouraged a lot of great people from ever entering politics, let alone running for president

I imagine this election has encouraged a lot of great people to enter local politics with no intention of ever moving beyond that point.