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knew that was fake when he mentioned wegmans

he's arrogant as hell in that, but with a nice touch of humor

knew that was fake when he mentioned wegmans

― k3vin k., Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:41 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark

? it's not fake

this outrage over someone not liking a Broadway play is sure to win Dems back the rust belt in 2020

on further thought, it has to be fake

By the way:
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/18/vladimir-putin-successfully-launches-nuclear-test-missile-that-can-reach-america-in-12-minutes/

Both the US and the Soviet Union had nuclear missiles that could those things in the 80s.

i thought we still did

GOP has been craving a president that runs the country like a CEO

Only, he doesn't.
What Does Donald Trump Really Want? (Fortune, April 3, 2000)

Among Trump’s theoretical peers, which is to say other rich business people, the situation is different. When Fortune asked several thousand of them to rank 469 companies for its 1999 list of Most Admired Companies, they put Trump’s casino company dead last. More specifically, they ranked it worst in quality of management, use of corporate assets, employee talent, long-term investment value, and social responsibility.

Frankly, I'd take a successful CEO any day over this trust fund narcissist.

No one said he would run America like a good CEO, whatever that even is.

this outrage over someone not liking a Broadway play is sure to win Dems back the rust belt in 2020

The fuck are you talking about?

although our poll aggregators were unprecedentedly off the mark

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), 20. november 2016 20:15 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No they weren't. Just a couple of points, completely normal.

this outrage over someone not liking a Broadway play is sure to win Dems back the rust belt in 2020

The fuck are you talking about?

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:14 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the cast of a fey broadway musical giving a lecture to the VP-elect cements every bias and preconceived notion moderates & conservatives have about liberals: they are contemptuous of you, hypocritical, and arrogant beyond belief. the booing is one thing- but man, what a stupid fucking move on behalf of Lin Manuel-Miranda to write that speech directed at Pence.

everyone needs to quit pearl clutching and think about this strategically. the deeper the left delves into its bubble and panics and prepares for the Trump admin like it'll be an autocracy is so ridiculous. there will be another election in 4 years!! for the first time since 1992, there will be a primary challenger for incumbent Trump!

^amending that fucked up sentence... the deeper the left delves into its own bubble, two terms of Trump are all but guaranteed...

xp yes, I'm aware of what actually *happened*, since I posted about it. None of it can be characterized as "outrage over someone not liking a Broadway play" which is so close to idiotic as to be indistinguishable.

the speech itself was fairly respectful tbf

we're getting two terms of Trump because lol USA

the content of the speech doesn't matter. it's bad optics.

xp
Lol Dems, more to the point. I'm not 100% convinced that Hillary won't try running again in 202.

I agree that I got bored when the 567th person on my Facebook feed commented on the story yesterday, but the counterarguments -- "While we were laughing at Mike Pence, some REAL NEWS was happening...like Trump U!" -- bore me too. We're already in a bubble, flappy bird -- all of us. Trump supports will neither read nor care about Trump U settlement, Hamilton, or Putin.

And I love the idea that this, which constitutes the cast's statement IN ITS ENTIRETY, constitutes a "lecture."

“We, sir, we are the diverse America, who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.”

WOW SUCH LECTURE SO STRIDENT WOW

I ain't gonna hear about "bad optics" re: people who spent the last six months yelling TRUMP THAT BITCH and LOCK HER UP.

is flappy bird Chuck Todd?

the deeper the left delves into its bubble and panics and prepares for the Trump admin like it'll be an autocracy is so ridiculous.

worked for the right, may as well try it. sure, there were two terms of obama, but 8 years later they control everything

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/800454155693387776/qp1zXwQA.jpg

OOF alfred that hurts... Chuck Todd has the worst hair i've ever seen on any human. i can't stand him, BUT it has helped me in the past week and a half to anesthetize my morality & beliefs and focus entirely on strategy, just to stay sane...

being half facetious of course, but the thing that has shocked me the most about the last 8 years is the total lack of punishment for wanton obstructionism, and i think the left should probably learn that lesson.

"What did you do in the war, dad?"

"Well son, I certainly didn't delve into my bubble - bad optics"

OOF alfred that hurts... Chuck Todd has the worst hair i've ever seen on any human. i can't stand him, BUT it has helped me in the past week and a half to anesthetize my morality & beliefs and focus entirely on strategy, just to stay sane...

― flappy bird,

worse than Hewitt's?

hugh hewitt? never noticed his hair... Chuck Todd looks like he had a Prince Valiant going on then went to Super Cuts and now it's growing back in.

Wait, Lin-Manuel Miranda wrote the speech?

according to the Times

Can we please stop pretending that 59 words constitutes a speech?

it's not clear to me what "good optics" or strategy would be. i guess the dems should strengthen the economic parts of their message, show some of that bernie sanders outrage at inequality. (i've always felt that way). but all this talk about how clinton's campaign lost due to "identity politics" makes me uncomfortable. if identity politics is clinton talking about her own glass ceiling then fine, ditch it. but if it means protecting abortion rights, marriage equality, and fighting for criminal justice reform and equal pay then i am not ready to abandon identity politics.

i say this as someone who complains, all the time, about stuff like the yale halloween controversy.

there are definitely illiberal tendencies among portions of the identitarian left, especially on campus. but there is still such a thing as institutional racism and sexism, which manifest in ways that require policy solutions. we still need the democrats for that.

When the cast of "Hamilton" is making policy for the DNC somebody send me a telegram plz

The Hamilton statement cheered me up a little, that someone was saying that to Mike Pence to his face. I assume many other people felt the same. It was worth doing even if that was the only effect.

xp phil D., well, they are an avatar of multiculturalism and so the right will assimilate them into its "culture war" narrative. i disagree with flappy bird in that i don't think we can win that one way or the other because they're not playing fair. any overture the left makes toward white rural america needs to be on its own terms. you need to wrench them away from the propaganda with a vigorous economic message... there is no benefit to the dems in forsaking the cultural/identity side of their platform, which the right misrepresents anyway

The story would have still been news. The crowd was booing at Pence, and the musical itself is pretty fucking political. The audience was laughing at Pence during What Comes Next:

What comes next?
You’ve been freed
Do you know how hard it is to lead?

You’re on your own
Awesome. Wow
Do you have a clue what happens now?

Oceans rise
Empires fall
It’s much harder when it’s all your call

All alone, across the sea
When your people say they hate you
Don’t come crawling back to me

Or rather, it could very possibly have become a story. Trump turned it into one when he started harassing the cast and producers for using their first amendment protected free speech. You can't 'strategize' around an irrational lying scumbag racist sexist homophobe with thin skin and no self-control. Not having that turn into yet another clusterfuck would entail everyone just shutting up about what's happening all the time, and, not to sound all Westworld, but Pence isn't normal. He is a gay-conversion loving extremist who became vice-president elect on a campaign of hatred against hispanics in particular, and who now thinks he can go to a play made by a hispanic man about the benefits of Caribbean immigrants, acted by many gay actors, as if nothing has happened. That's not normal.

yeah, mike pence is a fuckface. i wish they threw cabbages at him honestly.

there are definitely illiberal tendencies among portions of the identitarian left, especially on campus. but there is still such a thing as institutional racism and sexism, which manifest in ways that require policy solutions. we still need the democrats for that.

― Treeship, Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:04 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a way to address those without falling into the methodological trap of identitarianism: point out that they're systemic injustices that ruin individual lives. i'll never fully understand why so much time is spent on 'how' to combat these things.

i know lewis lapham is a contrarian self-promoter, but: "The universities chose to amuse themselves with the crossword puzzles of French literary theory, and in the New York media salons the standard-bearers of America's political conscience were content to rest upon what they took to be their laurels ... and the messengers bringing the good news of conservative reaction moved their gospel-singing tent show into an all but deserted public square," is a quote that always amused me.

you need to wrench them away from the propaganda with a vigorous economic message...

otm, i don't think the dems should ditch social progress & equality by any means, but the approach this time was unbalanced and probably abrasive to a lot of moderate/rust belt voters... and the smug condescension & arrogance of clinton's campaign cannot be overstated as a factor in making ppl stay home and others switch sides... check this out for the latter: http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/18/liberals-should-stop-ranting-and-seek-out-silent-trump-voters-like-me/#.WC8XB7tr5Ht.twitter i mean i think she's a fucking idiot but this is what we're dealing with

also who gives a fuck about the optics, do we think the right won through laser-focused discipline on messaging? iirc they spent the last 8 years focused on sideshows of a far more noxious variety

I don't think the dems should ditch social progress & equality by any means, but the approach this time was unbalanced and probably abrasive to a lot of moderate/rust belt voters...

the approach was offering those voters Hillary Rodham Clinton

yeah, shit like hamilton has fuck-all to do with it. being a punching bag for edgy socialists is not the same thing as being a real factor

did anyone research why half of eligible voters didn't vote?

were at musical

also who gives a fuck about the optics, do we think the right won through laser-focused discipline on messaging? iirc they spent the last 8 years focused on sideshows of a far more noxious variety

― intheblanks, Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:20 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i just want everyone to be able to get along well enough that they can have a conversation. i understand it but it really makes me sad that the left has started mirroring the right post-Obama's election. like i think anyone that abhors Trump should do their best to dispel with the fiction (lol) that all progressives are contemptuous of them and are intolerant of their beliefs (even if that it is the case...)

i emphatically *don't care* about the hamilton controversy or whatever but unless you're being dense for the sake of it it's not hard to see why a useless speech, whose sole purpose was to generate attention and controversy, at a freaking BROADWAY PLAY so exclusive and expensive that ordinary americans can't see it, might be poor tactics considering the anti-cosmopolitan sentiment that contributed to our losing the election

kev otm