Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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I really would like everyone saying "this is not normal" would go back and actually read through the history of the United States and what this country has done to practically every marginalized group it has ever encountered.

It's helpful to say that the path we are currently on is dangerous; saying it's not "normal" is to glibly ignore all of the horrendous things that have happened in this country's history and to falsely conflate "normal" with "good" and "desireable". The problem is much deeper and much more insidious than that. This is, after all, the same country that lynched members of my family less than 100 years ago; in the global scale of history, that was yesterday.

― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2016 16:19 (forty minutes ago) Permalink

Yes. This is why I hated the "normal" language during the campaign. "Normal" is not the goal here. "Normal" is a false security blanket. Liberal cocooning with grubhub and prestige television. Trump didn't make Jeff Sessions out of clay, he is in the fucking US Senate.

he is made of clay tho

the "normal" language may not be accurate re: history but I think a lot of the intent is motivational - these people having power should not be just another administration, don't become indifferent to the consequences (esp if you don't face any yourself), stay pissed off rather than depressed and hopeless.

isn't this also about the notion of "normalization"—of accepting false frameworks that do violence as inevitable or acceptable

obviously, lots of bullshit is already normalized—black lives matter was largely a push against the normalization of something terrifying & real & violent. I think the push against normalization is OK if it's done w/out acting as if its an exclusively new thing.

it's a bit of a fine needle to thread, to point out that trump is uniquely bad but also teh systems that have rewarded him are just one data point in a long line of structural violence

You can achieve the same effect with "This is not right".

on npr this morning they interviewed a woman who worked with gen flynn in afghanistan.. she said some nice things but also said he was as organized as pigpen from the peanuts. when asked what her reaction to his appointment was, "my heart sank"

awesome!

I prefer that these ideologues be incompetent tbh. incompetence will wreak its own damage/havoc, but I'm inclined to say the situation would be worse if Trump had a team of people who really knew how to get shit done and had terrible ideas, rather than a team that doesn't know how to do a goddamn thing and has terrible ideas.

at the risk of bringing up the Nazi comparisons again, one of the things that made them so awful was that they were so competent and bureaucratic

srs question: was J Edgar Hoover competent?

with these clowns the worst crimes are going to be lack of oversight i.e., what they enable more competent ideologues (like Ryan, local law enforcement, intelligence operatives, etc.) to execute

dude Hoover was a master

at keeping his job for almost 50 years, at least. xxp

it's possible this 'team' will have a hard time eclipsing the batshit thuggery of the Reaganauts, but records were made to be broken

also, the stakes are higher now

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html
this is maybe the worst piece I've read since the election

he published that the day trump announced his third racist cabinet member...

"Liberal cocooning with grubhub and prestige television"

this is most of the country forever though. not just now and not just liberals. as a people just really good at not thinking about what the government does and what people in power do. or they just figure they can't do anything about it. i dunno. iraq is a distant memory to a lot of people here. they couldn't tell you what has happened there in the last however many years. how many people could?

You can achieve the same effect with "This is not right".

― ¶ (DJP), Friday, November 18, 2016 11:20 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i agree obv, i didn't mean to defend the specific phrase "this is not normal" so much as reflect on the notion of "normalization"—where we are worn down to accept what's wrong as the status quo, & the debilitating, traumatizing effects of that. I think there's value in talking about that effect, and fighting it by continually reminding yourself "this is not right."

it's never been right. but yeah i guess this is the new improved even worse now.

liberal cocooning with grubhub and prestige television is the modern day equivalent of middle class folk cocooning with their color tv and tract housing in the burbs

shit coming home, they think, to people who have been insulated from most forms of oppression heretofore

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/14/chuck-schumer-the-worst-possible-democratic-leader-at-the-worst-possible-time/

So we have to count on this guy to lead the opposition?

it's a country based on dominance. built and based on it. and that's the bargain everyone who lives here makes in order to have all the crap that we have. not to question too much how we get it. we all do it.

sorry, need more coffee didn't mean to go all chomsky! gonna go listen to blue cheer.

no, Schumer v likely to be useless. end run around him

^^^

I prefer that these ideologues be incompetent tbh. incompetence will wreak its own damage/havoc, but I'm inclined to say the situation would be worse if Trump had a team of people who really knew how to get shit done and had terrible ideas, rather than a team that doesn't know how to do a goddamn thing and has terrible ideas.

indeed. someone (Eichenwald?) had a good piece about how Trump is kind of blowing his political capital early on for no reason. at the very least it's gonna be fun to watch this all unfold.

I do not think this will be fun

from the intercept article - this shit is definitely going to happen imo

Schumer has long been the Democrats’ point man in efforts to craft a bipartisan deal to slash taxes on multinational corporations.

yes, he reiterated his intention on this a couple weeks before Clinton's inevitable victory

yeah I don't foresee any concerted resistance to a tax cut that vastly benefits the wealthy, unless Warren or Sanders mount a lonely filibuster or something

I like the fighting spirit of this article:

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19638/fighting-trump-isnt-enoughwe-must-also-wage-war-within-the-democratic-party

so what do we know about pompeo?

Benghazi dude, Koch puppet, this Zerohedge piece is actually decent:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-18/meet-mike-pompeo-new-director-cia

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/intensified-by-climate-change-king-tides-change-ways-of-life-in-florida.html

would mar a lagos be prone to flooding? maybe nothing will convince trump of global warming except trying to get coverage under his insurance policies

nah he'd claim the flooding was due to water displaced by all those refugees cramming into boats

after visiting gitmo pompeo said of the hunger strikers that a lot of them looked like they had put on weight

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/donald-trump-election-hillary-clinton-election-night-inequality-republicans-trumpism/

with these clowns the worst crimes are going to be lack of oversight i.e., what they enable more competent ideologues (like Ryan, local law enforcement, intelligence operatives, etc.) to execute

yeah, I imagine the Trump scandals will be like Reagan's, where underlings' actions spring from the climate set by the President's rhetoric, even when he gives no specific orders.

Steve Bannon is not a nice guy: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/stephen-bannon-facebook-group-racist-material-obama-death-threats

https://twitter.com/surlyurbanist/status/799414446959435776 (via jamelle bouie)

this seems like the sort of nuanced take on the intersection of race and class

I read the stratification economics piece. The fact that Trump wants to eliminate the estate tax is now something else that can be added to the list of racist things.

iatee made a post years back about the estate tax that has stuck with me. paraphrasing: "basically the most defensible tax ever. money doesn't come out of the economy and you didn't do anything to deserve it other than being born. should be 100%."

anybody here in/near Louisiana?

http://theslot.jezebel.com/a-runoff-election-in-louisiana-could-help-democrats-in-1788959475

Yes, in contact with Campbell's cousin via reddit. Expect to phone bank in N.O.

*high five*

money doesn't come out of the economy and you didn't do anything to deserve it other than being born. should be 100%

the 100% part is either trolling and/or stupid, unless you prefer "government" to "people," but I think the estate tax is important to keep and the current rate is good. It applies to so few as it is.

this fuckin guy

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747

“The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f—ed over. If we deliver—” by "we" he means the Trump White House "—we’ll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we’ll govern for 50 years.

o rly

From THR:

He absolutely — mockingly — rejects the idea that this is a racial line. “I’m not a white nationalist, I’m a nationalist. I’m an economic nationalist,” he tells me. “The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f—ed over. If we deliver—” by "we" he means the Trump White House "—we’ll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we’ll govern for 50 years. That’s what the Democrats missed, they were talking to these people with companies with a $9 billion market cap employing nine people. It’s not reality. They lost sight of what the world is about.”

“Like [Andrew] Jackson’s populism, we’re going to build an entirely new political movement,” he says. “It’s everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I’m the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it’s the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We’re just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement.”

It is clear when we return to our conversation that it is not just the liberal establishment that Bannon feels he has triumphed over, but the conservative one too — not least of all Fox News and its owners, the Murdochs. “They got it more wrong than anybody,” he says. “Rupert is a globalist and never understood Trump. To him, Trump is a radical. Now they’ll go centrist and build the network around Megyn Kelly.”

The estate tax could be used as a tool to effectively redistribute wealth, but any change to the estate tax that upset the current class structure would never be passed, because the current class structure would never allow itself to be disturbed.