...better than secretary of defense... i suppose... ?
― 龜, Friday, 18 November 2016 02:05 (seven years ago) link
he can have an incompetence-off with condi
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 18 November 2016 02:17 (seven years ago) link
One of the articles about how really Trumps win was about the economy told the story that he went to Michigan and said that he would demand the Ford factory kept it's carmaking in Michigan, otherwise he'd levy a 35% tariff on imported Ford cars. How the fuck would he keep that promise? Well, he just tweeted that Ford won't move it's carmaking to Mexico. From Kentucky.
The Kentucky production was never getting moved to Mexico to begin with. Trump's known this for weeks. The Michigan cars will still move to Mexico. And none of this matters at all...
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 November 2016 02:50 (seven years ago) link
read that as "officially retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn's job as national security adviser" at first
― “a tub of horses” (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 18 November 2016 03:21 (seven years ago) link
So uh flynn's son
http://cnn.it/2g15qZ6
― 龜, Friday, 18 November 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link
notably that position doesn't require a Senate confirmation
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 18 November 2016 03:51 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/rudolph-giuliani-possible-cabinet-pick-faces-scrutiny-over-finances.html
In 2006, Rudolph W. Giuliani, a former New York City mayor, made $10 million from 108 speeches he delivered around the world, and more money from other projects.
― Mordy, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:04 (seven years ago) link
flynn got his ass fired for being a douche
― akm, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link
xpost https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxbpP45Mzw
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 November 2016 04:09 (seven years ago) link
couldn't make it through that Remnick Obama piece, too sad
― flopson, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link
last paragraph is really good
― iatee, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:58 (seven years ago) link
The Richard Rorty excerpt (from 1998) in that Reminick piece is incredible:
"Something will crack," he wrote: "The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for--someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. . . . One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. . . . All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet."
― clemenza, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:59 (seven years ago) link
morelike David Rimlick
― hunangarage, Friday, 18 November 2016 06:41 (seven years ago) link
So Flynn is a complete shithead: https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/703387702998278144
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 18 November 2016 07:16 (seven years ago) link
Breh
https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/753772080471179264
The more shit like this happens the less I can understand giving people a pass for voting for him on the grounds they didn't realize he was a racist
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 18 November 2016 08:46 (seven years ago) link
No no deej, you're crying wolf. If you're calling Flynn an islamophobe now, what will you then call a guy called who won't subsequently lie about having said those things, and then share a picture of himself eating a dürüm? Huh? And what will you do then?
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 November 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link
can't believe how badly the liberal lamestream media dropped the ball on these guys prior to 11/9.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-alt-right-leader-on-voice-in-trump-administration?sc=17&f=2
― cucky ramen-o (will), Friday, 18 November 2016 12:05 (seven years ago) link
i was all over the Flynn stuff yesterday while the Shakey-Deej Revue was in center ring. Sad!
john r stanton@dcbigjohn
Key Clinton fundraiser Heather Podesta touts connections to Trump transition in email to corporate clients
https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/lobbyists-have-no-clue-how-theyre-going-to-work-under-a-trum?utm_term=.ivAAgmjD9P#.dqdvnzYZOe
@ggreenwald 2h2 hours ago
Glenn Greenwald Retweeted john r stanton
How can you not love the bipartisan DC lobbyist class?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
Sessions for AG (NYT)
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Friday, 18 November 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
Who knew Trump's job plan would mean giving jobs to all these unemployable losers.
Meanwhile, the interview with Mark Warner on the radio this morning about the intelligence community's checks on Trump was chilling. Not that they necessarily couldn't do it, but there was such a dark tone in his voice every time he had to say "let's hope that hypothetic does not come to pass" when asked how to would respond to an order to bring back something illegal, like torture
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2016 12:43 (seven years ago) link
Nytimes (and other) editorials have been working overtime, but this brings up yet another issue with his inchoate policy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/opinion/donald-trumps-plan-to-purge-the-nation.html
Observations in the piece:
Start with the fact that the target number is made up. There simply aren’t as many criminal immigrants as he imagines. According to rough estimates by the Migration Policy Institute, of the country’s 11 million unauthorized immigrants, about 820,000 have criminal records. About 300,000 of those have felony convictions and are presumably the bad people Mr. Trump is talking about. If he deports those and only those, it will be a remarkable display of law-enforcement discretion, since he said that there were lots of “terrific people” among the unauthorized who might be allowed to stay, “after the border is secured and after everything gets normalized.”And yet he also said that two million to three million would go, a population about the size of Chicago’s. He would have to haul away a lot of terrific people, and terrorize many more, to hit that mark. This would require a vast conscription of state and local law enforcement against people who pose no threat. It would mean a surge in home and workplace raids, investigations and traffic stops.It took the Obama administration eight years to deport 2.5 million immigrants. The threat of Mr. Trump chasing that number right off the bat is the reason immigrant communities are so terrified. But the damage won’t be immediate: He can’t just load two million people onto buses and planes and ship them out. He’ll first have to stuff them into the bottleneck of the immigration courts, where there are too few judges and lawyers for a swollen caseload, and fill detention cells to bursting. Mr. Trump may be unaware of due process, or in denial about it, but it exists.
And yet he also said that two million to three million would go, a population about the size of Chicago’s. He would have to haul away a lot of terrific people, and terrorize many more, to hit that mark. This would require a vast conscription of state and local law enforcement against people who pose no threat. It would mean a surge in home and workplace raids, investigations and traffic stops.
It took the Obama administration eight years to deport 2.5 million immigrants. The threat of Mr. Trump chasing that number right off the bat is the reason immigrant communities are so terrified. But the damage won’t be immediate: He can’t just load two million people onto buses and planes and ship them out. He’ll first have to stuff them into the bottleneck of the immigration courts, where there are too few judges and lawyers for a swollen caseload, and fill detention cells to bursting. Mr. Trump may be unaware of due process, or in denial about it, but it exists.
Scalzi/TPM "Trump's Razor" remains in full effect, that when in doubt, stupid prevails. Which obviously does not mean Trump can't continue to fail forward, but short of changing laws just getting anything done legal takes time once he's in office. It is just inconceivable that a man whose selfish life has been about nothing but paying for shortcuts and finding ways to hide and move money to get his way will be able to tolerate true bureaucracy. I can't even see how Trump will smoothly make the transition from private figure to public servant.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2016 12:50 (seven years ago) link
Jeff Sessions is AG.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2016 12:57 (seven years ago) link
Times bullet-points:
President-elect Donald J. Trump has offered Jeff Sessions the post of attorney general, according to officials close to the transition.Mr. Sessions was denied a federal judgeship by the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 because of racially charged comments.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2016 12:58 (seven years ago) link
He is no doubt a piece of shit.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:05 (seven years ago) link
On CBS News this morning, they said the Secret Service is working on making the glass in the Trump Tower penthouse bulletproof. That's right, folks...the glass in Trump Tower is currently not bulletproof. And this was announced on the news.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:42 (seven years ago) link
jeff sessions is bad news for marijuana legalization. This is a guy that said “Good People Don’t Smoke Marijuana” and that the only problem with the KKK was that they smoked weed.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:47 (seven years ago) link
"racially charged"
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:49 (seven years ago) link
he's a firebrand!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
controversial too!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:52 (seven years ago) link
The bulletproof glass thing got me thinking. Apart from the problem of having tons of branded properties all over the world that are now suddenly juicy targets for nefarious baddies, isn't Trump probably one of the most blackmailable people on earth? All the stuff that HASN'T come out.. All the financial shenanigans, all the hookers, all the sexual assault victims. People like that don't get security clearances right? Except he will.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:55 (seven years ago) link
In a sense yes, otoh he may be the least blackmailable in an effective sense, in that he ends up getting a pass on everything
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah a tape is going to come out with him and two underage hookers and I'm sure we'll all just laugh it off
― frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link
The American public won't even blink when Trump's spirit cooking tapes are released.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
Hm. Guys, I'm beginning to think Trump might not make such a good president after all?
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:27 (seven years ago) link
I wonder when the post-Brexit buyer's remorse will start to kick in on this one.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:28 (seven years ago) link
actually he's kinda unblackmailable since he's impervious to scandals!
― iatee, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
just a healthy display of his alpha male dominance
― cucky ramen-o (will), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
xp err looks like everyone else pointed that out
― iatee, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:34 (seven years ago) link
I don't really understand why people take these cabinet positions. is being AG a better gig than being a senator? it's not more prestigious, it doesn't make it easier to run for another office and it's a job with a fixed end date. being a senator in a safe state seems like a pretty good job.
― iatee, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Depends on what you want to achieve, I guess. AG has the power to get things done alone that a Senator can't do.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
Kanye has unsurprisingly Kanye-esque thoughts about the election
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link
It's a safe bet Kanye will win the presidency in 2020.
― Evan, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link
kinda getting irritated by all the people praising him for doing some not-horrible things - meeting with Romney, for example. just saw a surrogate say something like "he doesn't care about personal grudges, he just wants the best person for the job" like...oh really?
now this lobbyist ban actually looks like something useful, though I'm sure Trump himself won't abide by it, and I think that goodwill is undone by his position on campaign finance laws, which would essentially let one filthy rich person bankroll a campaign by themselves
― frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link
I mean, seriously
“It goes back to Trump’s goal to make sure people aren’t using government to enrich themselves,” transition spokesman Sean Spicer said on a call with reporters.
are we not talking about the guy who funneled a ton of donor money through his own businesses? the guy who jacked up his own campaign office's rent fivefold?
― frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:56 (seven years ago) link
They guy who charged the Secret Service $1.6 million to fly on his private 747.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 18 November 2016 15:01 (seven years ago) link
I think we should look to Brazil as instructive -- when corruption is endemic, it's very easy for a corrupt party in power to use it against a corrupt party not in power. I don't think democrats are exactly free of corruption, and it will make them vulnerable.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 18 November 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
btw if you follow him on Twitter he's been talking about "saving" a Ford plant which uh...wasn't going anywhere
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/donald-trump-takes-credit-for-helping-to-save-a-ford-plant-that-wasnt-closing.html?_r=0
This is one of his strangest and most disgusting qualities - how many times during the debates did he say "nobody talked about this before I brought it up"? Same mentality which sees the birther crusade as a favor to Barack Obama. Dude is nuts.
― frogbs, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
he's just shameless. his supporters are certifiable though.
― cucky ramen-o (will), Friday, 18 November 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
A useful thing in general that I'm trying to remind myself: Trump, his campaign and his supporters rely heavily on trolling. They may or may not believe what they/he says at all times. But they definitely want to rile us up to the point of paralysis and unclear thinking, and I'm trying to avoid that.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 18 November 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
kanye is so fucking dumb
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 November 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link