Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

Why is Forgotten Man not collecting any of the money littering the ground? Maybe that would solve his problem.

What good is money when you have no pride?

Being followed around by all of the nation's presidents was kinda cool at first but it's really starting to bum him out at this point.

Forgotten Man is enormous.

welp dude you've got like three choices: go blow some shit up, emigrate, or self-immolate.

xxposts

Re: Muslims and Jews, this interfaith outreach has been happening increasingly for the last couple of years at our temple, as well as outreach to the west side of Chicago. It's a little tricky to mobilize, because of tax issues, but community building and especially the reunification of formerly very close allies benefits everyone.

^^ can we vote on which one?

xp

The Forgotten Manspread

xp to mark s - Clinton won Minnesota on a 74 per cent turnout, possibly the highest participation level in the US.

Iago, you know what? Keith Ellison is my congressman, he is a worthy progressive candidate with a huge majority in his district and he won't be cowed by the alt-wrong.

there is a piece on Giuliani's client list from the last decade or so in the NYT today and man, the run of Russian oligarchs and 'shadowy' Iranians is borderline hilarious. If his purported nomination can't be swatted down it's a disgrace.

yes sorry suzy (and everyone), i was watching the election by reading ilx in bed on my phone at 5 in the morning so my analysis is as useless as my memory

Wouldn't want to be New Balance these days. They can't win.

by being a black muslim? like i said, it might be the right thing to ignore the potential consequences of that but if you're looking to get back into power it might be worth noting that trump ran his campaign heavily on anti-muslim sentiment. you shouldn't join along but it seems likely counterproductive to entirely ignore it. nb i understand while writing this that ppl on ilx will be horrified by the suggestion that it might not be the smartest political move to appoint him bc fuck anyone who wouldn't vote democratic bc of a black muslim dnc head and tbh i agree in my heart so there's no need to start a flame war. i just wonder in my head if it's a great move politically. xxp

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:19 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah not to be predictable but I think this post is fucked up. You combat anti Muslim sentiment by embracing Muslim allies not by pushing them to the side

This is the same logic I heard from dems afraid Obama couldn't win in 2008

Maybe if they pick a Muslim his opponents with think he's a secret not Muslim and leave him alone.

(Will think, that is)

Gary Younge of the Guardian: How Trump took Middle America (specifically, Muncie)

For the white working class, says Jamie Walsh, who voted for Trump, the benefits of being white aren’t obvious. “People are afraid that they’re stupid. This whole PC thing – racism, sexism. All this stuff is being stupid. All these isms are ignorance. People don’t feel racist, they don’t feel sexist … They feel marginalised because of their ignorance. You don’t want to offend people.”

Trump’s victory cannot be explained by racism alone. He won several states that Obama took easily in 2008 and 2012
It is in the precise place where race and class merge that a section of white America finds itself both bereft and beleaguered. “White privilege is like a blessing and a curse if you’re poor,” Walsh says. “White privilege pisses poor white people off because they’ve never experienced it on a level that they understand. You hear ‘privilege’ and you think money and opportunity and they don’t have it. There’s protected women, minorities – they have advocates. But there’s no advocates for poor people.”

...People are, of course, many things – male, white, straight, rural, college-educated and so on – and just one thing: themselves. It is that whole person, not a segment of it, that goes to the polls and that we need to understand. Hillary Clinton won women – but Trump won white women and older women.

This, despite the fact that his campaign was steeped in misogyny, lambasting women for their looks, dismissing women who accused him of sexual harassment as gold-digging liars, and excusing his own boasts of assault as “locker room talk”. He even passed judgment on Clinton’s looks, telling a crowd in North Carolina: “She walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn’t impressed.”

Bea Sousa, the former spokesperson for the League of Women Voters of Muncie-Delaware County, said a higher bar was set for Clinton than her male counterparts of the past. “I’ve met a lot of women who detest her intensely,” said Sousa, who said she was not a “rabid Hillary fan” herself. “I can’t take credit for this statement but I heard someone say, ‘We’ve gotten used to voting for males we don’t like. We’ve held our nose and we’ve voted for them for whatever reason. But we aren’t used to doing that with a woman.’ Our culture holds women to a higher standard.”

But once again, to isolate misogyny as the central factor in Clinton’s defeat would ignore the fact that 94% of black women went for Clinton – and black men were nearly twice as likely to vote Clinton as white women. Just as race alone cannot sufficiently explain the choices of Trump voters, looking at only class, or only gender, in the absence of race, cannot make sense of these disparities.

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election

Trump’s victory cannot be explained by racism alone. He won several states that Obama took easily in 2008 and 2012

this seems like a dangerous assumption..."you can't be a racist if you voted Obama"??

you don't get it, d-40. it's a jujitsu move - "we" push smart black leaders aside before the republicans can start trolling them. NOW what's up

Lol wow another article arguing it wasn't about race because some people voted for Obama

that in fact is not what the black British journalist is arguing; maybe read the whole thing

but i get it, economic disenfranchisement had NOTHING to do with Trump voters' delusions.

enjoy Chuck Schumer, he's perfect for you. why do you think HOOS and other leftists stopped posting here?

Re: that Guardian article, Muncie is prime breeding ground for someone like Trump. All of the industry is gone (the university is basically the only thing still standing there), it's segregated as hell, and it's surrounded on all sides by rural wasteland. The newspaper is maybe twenty pages and most of it is, like, USA Today content and feel-good shit interspersed among stories of drug addicts savaging one another (the last time I read it sometime over the summer, the front page story was about a dude who bit off and swallowed another dude's ear during a fight). I understand people in an environment like that voting for Trump but I'll happily toss any and all Trump voters from the Chicago metro area into the lake.

enjoy Chuck Schumer, he's perfect for you. why do you think HOOS and other leftists stopped posting here?

I highly doubt this is true.

xpost (NB: Muncie and the surrounding area is sadly one of the few areas where you can have some faith in my knowledge and expertise.)

Lol wow another article arguing it wasn't about race because some people voted for Obama

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 11:49 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

16% swing of poor whites from dem to republican when a white woman is the candidate rather than a black man, as well as trump performing better with latinos than romney. if your analysis is simply "because racism" then it's beyond overly-simplistic.

anyway I mostly agree w/ mordy's sentiment but also think that most people don't know who the DNC chair is anyway so it probably won't matter

― iatee, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:32 PM (one hour ago)

yeah this, people don't vote based on who the chairs of the parties are. michael steele being the RNC chairman didn't siphon any of the black vote from the dems. ellison is a reliable liberal who has held various leadership positions in the party (currently chairs the progressive caucus and iirc sits on a couple of committees) and seems well-qualified for the job. being a black muslim probably doesn't matter but is a nice bonus imo

It's probably worth remembering that no amount of hate from liberals seems to have stopped the GOP from picking anyone for anything lately, and now they control our government.

why do you think HOOS and other leftists stopped posting here?

Because they got sick of your empty-headed, one-note bullshit?

There was a useful distinction made in a Harvard Business Review essay:

The terminology here can be confusing. When progressives talk about the working class, typically they mean the poor. But the poor, in the bottom 30% of American families, are very different from Americans who are literally in the middle: the middle 50% of families whose median income was $64,000 in 2008. That is the true “middle class,” and they call themselves either “middle class” or “working class.”

Hence the relatively high income of Trump supporters, compared to blacks or Latinos, who I guess get broadly categorized as "the poor." Are the white working class more economically disenfranchised than the black working class, or the Latino working class? Of course not. Their problems of disenfranchisement, economic or otherwise, greatly supersede those of the "white working class," for dozens of obvious reasons. But the white working class, understandably but selfishly, doesn't see it that way, and lashed out.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class?utm_campaign=HBR&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

the fact that "Trump’s victory cannot be explained by racism alone" is apparently a controversial statement on the center-left is pretty harrowing considering we're supposed to be the side of nuance and complex explanations

white libs just looking to impress with their 200% wokeness.

ahhh, the many notes of van Gorp.

How about Ellison's two opponents for DNC chairman being lobbyist whores? good nuff?

Of course it's not racism alone. Comey also played a role.

;)

But a 16% swing among poor whites when the candidate is a white supremacist instead of a mealy mouthed mormon? Racism sounds like a good explanation.

I just wish we could stop talking about "racist" as something you either are or you aren't. This idea that whites are being victimized (yet again!) because us whiney liberals are calling all Trump voters "racist" is getting us nowhere.

DeBlasio basically telling President Trump to get tae fuck:

In the coming days, the mayor said, his administration will address questions about whether federal officials enforcing a heightened Trump deportation effort will be given access to the city’s IDNYC database, a municipal ID program designed for people with limited documentation. Nearly half a million New Yorkers are undocumented immigrants, and many have participated in the program. In the wake of Trump’s election, de Blasio is reportedly considering eliminating the program and destroying the database of New Yorkers’ personal information, rather than being forced to turn that information over to federal law enforcement or immigration authorities.

De Blasio also addressed questions about the logistical issues presented by housing a president elect in midtown Manhattan, saying that NYPD Commissioner James O’Neill would be meeting with the Secret Service this week to find a less disruptive solution. (Several cross-streets around Trump Tower and lanes on the adjacent avenues have been closed.)

Some of the high-end retailers have been complaining about a drop in foot traffic since last Tuesday, even as they enjoy the added security of NYPD in riot gear and Secret Service. “I will not tell you that Gucci and Tiffany’s are my central concerns in life,” the mayor said. “But I will say the traffic situation is a very real problem.”

Of course it's not racism alone. Comey also played a role.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:15 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how could the dems have predicted that the candidate under investigation by the fbi would be investigated by the fbi?

But a 16% swing among poor whites when the candidate is a white supremacist instead of a mealy mouthed mormon? Racism sounds like a good explanation.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:16 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basically nonsensical to act like the repubs 4 years ago were not a racist, white supremacist party but are now. trump is more vulgar and crass with it, but it's all the same shite, just a different pile

But a 16% swing among poor whites when the candidate is a white supremacist instead of a mealy mouthed mormon? Racism sounds like a good explanation.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:16 PM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even i don't think this is an easy enough explanation

a whole lot of people in this country are racist. it's not localized to the poor; i don't even think it's more prevalent among the poor. the internet fascists seem pretty well fed frankly.

a whole lot of obama's share of the WWC just stayed home. they were persuadable but hillary didn't get them out the door.

the "47%" tape hurt romney pretty badly. he sounded like (and was) a stiff jackass boss. trump made a lot of promises to working people; his promise was to be a corrupt rich asshole on their behalf.

DJP said it best last week: racists voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 because they were hurting and thought he had the answers.

Now the right candidate with the right dog whistle ran for president.

This conversation reminds me of the argument b/w a cousin and me who said Strom Thurmond wasn't a racist because he was one of the first congressman to hire a black legislative aide.

how could the dems have predicted that the candidate under investigation by the fbi would be investigated by the fbi?

c'mon the way this played out was shitty and massively unfair to the Dems

But a 16% swing among poor whites when the candidate is a white supremacist instead of a mealy mouthed mormon? Racism sounds like a good explanation.

Does it 'sound good' because it makes you feel better, or because it's simple enough that you don't have to tax your brain figuring out that people vote for numerous (even self-contradictory) reasons, one of which has traditionally been a desire to place faith in leaders who position themselves as saviors?

I have no doubt that many Trump voters support policies at a macro level (deportation of immigrants; increased 'law and order' measures) that are racist, and also see themselves, in their day-to-day lives as NOT racist.

I think one of the reasons beating the 'you're racist, all of you' drum is shortsighted is because I'll die if I have to read another post mortem and also because when you tell someone that, they think 'I don't hate my Latino neighbor' not 'I'm contributing to the systemic marginalization of my Latino neighbor through my vote.'

The alt-right, otoh, should die painfully.

"Ugh, I really need to not do get drawn into US history and research Kitty Genovese instead.

― Frederik B"

people didn't actually ignore her cries for help, they just didn't hear them.

"so that political positions thing on his wiki literally has nothing to say about his economic positions. i don't think dems need to abandon the identity politics stuff entirely but it seems crazy that in light of this election they're going to move forward on someone who doesn't have economic stuff as the center of their political ideology.

― Mordy"

america just elected a president who has been literally making every single thing he said up as he was going along. i don't think we need to set the bar too high for a fucking dnc chair.

"enjoy Chuck Schumer, he's perfect for you. why do you think HOOS and other leftists stopped posting here?

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)"

morbz, much love, but on the list of withering put-downs, "_You're_ the reason certain leftists have stopped posting here!" is not one of your all-time greatest hits.

basically nonsensical to act like the repubs 4 years ago were not a racist, white supremacist party but are now. trump is more vulgar and crass with it, but it's all the same shite, just a different pile

― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:25 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bullshit. His entire campaign was launched alleging our first black president was a Muslim and that we needed to build a wall to keep out Mexicans. He made explicit racist appeals from day -500 of his campaign. He explicitly stoked white supremacist feelings in voters, and yes lots of white people have feelings of racism who also are ok with voting for a black man for president. That's how racism works

And fuck morbius I'm making an ideological argument here this isn't trying to seem more "woke". But considering you're the one suggesting an article can't be wrong because of the race of its author maybe you should think a little more about that sort of thing

So many "radicals" argue so much moderate limp DLC style bullshit once anything touches outside of class conflict

goole otm

i need to get away from all you whitesplainers

see ya soon