Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

so that political positions thing on his wiki literally has nothing to say about his economic positions. i don't think dems need to abandon the identity politics stuff entirely but it seems crazy that in light of this election they're going to move forward on someone who doesn't have economic stuff as the center of their political ideology.

like we decisively lost our stronghold rust belt states partly on the back of white supremacism and neglect (maybe, or at the least the appearance of) middle class economic needs and the collapse of manufacturing. so the solution is to get a black muslim guy who will likely exacerbate the identity politics divide that alienated said voters and who doesn't do anything to shore up the appearance of economic weakness. it feels a lot like doubling down on the hillary campaign strategy that failed.

Here you go Mordy http://m.startribune.com/ellison-focuses-on-the-economy/209719011/

Yes, all those "liberal elite" blacks and Latinos making less than $30,000 per year who voted for Clinton.

You think they were all happy about it? Trump got 26% of the Latina vote.

@ggreenwald
This is the choice groups like AIPAC seem to be making: to overlook the anti-semitic claims because of how much this will free up Israel:

“AIPAC has a long-standing policy of not taking positions on presidential appointments,” the group’s spokesman, Marshall Wittmann, said.

Whitman denied reports that the group was privately “apoplectic” about Bannon’s appointment.

But the dovish J Street slammed Bannon as a hate-monger who would be bad for the Jews — and Israel.

“He and his website have a history of aggressively targeting individuals and organizations, including J Street, with vicious attacks that show no regard for basic decency and tolerance, or for the truth,” it said.

J Street accused Trump of “fanning the flames of hatred” by appointing Bannon.

The ADL and other anti-hate groups have blasted Bannon’s appointment, but analyst say pro-Israel groups are by definition more concerned about foreign policy not his views, which critics call racist and anti-Semitic.

The right wing Zionist Organization of America praised Bannon effusively.

“We wish Mr. Bannon every success in his new position,” said ZOA chief Mort Klein.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/354458/pro-israel-groups-j-street-and-aipac-split-on-steve-bannon-appointment/

but he freaks out pro-Israel voters so that's a plus bc we should definitely try to alienate more parts of the democratic constituency.

Yes, all those "liberal elite" blacks and Latinos making less than $30,000 per year who voted for Clinton.

You think they were all happy about it? Trump got 26% of the Latina vote.

So Clinton only got 74% of that demographic? What a disaster for Latinas.

Why don't you go ask all of them, individually, if they were happy about it. That seems like a productive use of your time.

it was a mistake to come back to these threads

serious question - what do you get out of posting about israel? do you really gaf what the ZOA has to say about Bannon or are you just trying to troll me?

ellison's going to "exacerbate the identity politics divide"? accepting that formulation, how, exactly? by being black?

Does the vote percentage differ greatly if you exclude Cubans?

Days before the election Henwood was touting that some publishing house was releasing a book of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches with (surely obnoxious) forwards written by both him and Assange. I love these guys who literally for months argued that HRC was worse then Trump now are like "here's what the libs should have done to have prevented that obviously worse outcome we are now stuck with". Such pieces of shit who honestly should be apologizing acting so smug now.

by being a black muslim? like i said, it might be the right thing to ignore the potential consequences of that but if you're looking to get back into power it might be worth noting that trump ran his campaign heavily on anti-muslim sentiment. you shouldn't join along but it seems likely counterproductive to entirely ignore it. nb i understand while writing this that ppl on ilx will be horrified by the suggestion that it might not be the smartest political move to appoint him bc fuck anyone who wouldn't vote democratic bc of a black muslim dnc head and tbh i agree in my heart so there's no need to start a flame war. i just wonder in my head if it's a great move politically. xxp

If anyone can push back at Islamophobia, it's Keith Ellison. He builds coalitions and he's public-facing. There are about 40k Jewish people in his/my district, and most of them are his voters too.

good - i don't really know much about him. that article deej linked about him studying up on economic issues sounds promising.

urban left-wing american jews don't typically need to be convinced that islamophobia is bad

anyway I mostly agree w/ mordy's sentiment but also think that most people don't know who the DNC chair is anyway so it probably won't matter

this article pierce posted the other day blew my mind

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a50668/muslim-jewish-groups-team-up/

muslim and jewish associations getting together because they both face persecution in the US-fucking-A

also not unuseful he's in minnesota presumably, since that's somewhere dems just lost?

the right wing webrags are already saying he's in the "muslim brotherhood" which is fucking hilarious and also sad

omfg omfg omfg omfg

Jon McNaughton
‏@McNaughtonArt

@seanhannity just purchase my painting The Forgotten Man to give to President Trump to hang in the White House.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2b5s_UAAASff3.jpg

no Mordy, i am not trying to troll you. Just highlighting GG's point that lobbyists are hedging on Bannon-critiquing cuz hey, no more anti-settlement rhetoric (and that's the limit of it) from the US.

AIPAC didn't comment on Hagel either whose appt if you remember was also controversial for far-right pro-Zionist voters. Their position has always been [radical] bipartisanship (which tbh makes a lot of sense for a lobbying org). ZOA's position is not surprising at all and neither is J-Street's.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/310078/trump-21-club-get-taxes-down-dont-worry-about-it-video

tbf it's not unusual for someone from outside the US to be interested in the politics of the world superpower since it'll likely impact them much more than say danish politics will impact US citizens

There's being interested and there's being interested though.

Also just to point out that it's not just about no more anti-settlement rhetoric. It's also about knowing that US will veto any security council resolutions (that are often not limited to settlement issues) and moving the embassy to Jerusalem (which let's see - GWB promised the same thing). I discussed this on I think the Israel & US interest thread but there are reasons for pro-Likud voters to be concerned about Trump too. He seems totally ready to cede Syria to Assad/Iran which is def not in the Bibi playbook.

tbf it's not unusual for someone from outside the US to be interested in the politics of the world superpower since it'll likely impact them much more than say danish politics will impact US citizens

There's being interested and there's being interested though.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:42 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and there's being interested and there's being the truth-teller and great representative of racial minorities and women while being a northern european man

fucking hell that painting.

It's nice to see so many presidents sticking up for Jason Segel though

If anyone can push back at Islamophobia, it's Keith Ellison. He builds coalitions and he's public-facing. There are about 40k Jewish people in his/my district, and most of them are his voters too.

― jane burkini (suzy), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:26 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You folks crack me up...Keith Ellison, riiiiiiight (wtf is "public-facing", by the way?). I love your kumbaya shout out for a Reid/Schumer-approved prowar, party lapdog with a big ole PAC of his own, though

Don't change, you guys, you got it all figured out. PS, Senate Dems "new" lineup lookin' good! LOL

in a perfect world, what would iago galdston like to see happen?

Why is Forgotten Man not collecting any of the money littering the ground? Maybe that would solve his problem.

What good is money when you have no pride?

Being followed around by all of the nation's presidents was kinda cool at first but it's really starting to bum him out at this point.

Forgotten Man is enormous.

welp dude you've got like three choices: go blow some shit up, emigrate, or self-immolate.

xxposts

Re: Muslims and Jews, this interfaith outreach has been happening increasingly for the last couple of years at our temple, as well as outreach to the west side of Chicago. It's a little tricky to mobilize, because of tax issues, but community building and especially the reunification of formerly very close allies benefits everyone.

^^ can we vote on which one?

xp

The Forgotten Manspread

xp to mark s - Clinton won Minnesota on a 74 per cent turnout, possibly the highest participation level in the US.

Iago, you know what? Keith Ellison is my congressman, he is a worthy progressive candidate with a huge majority in his district and he won't be cowed by the alt-wrong.

there is a piece on Giuliani's client list from the last decade or so in the NYT today and man, the run of Russian oligarchs and 'shadowy' Iranians is borderline hilarious. If his purported nomination can't be swatted down it's a disgrace.

yes sorry suzy (and everyone), i was watching the election by reading ilx in bed on my phone at 5 in the morning so my analysis is as useless as my memory

Wouldn't want to be New Balance these days. They can't win.

by being a black muslim? like i said, it might be the right thing to ignore the potential consequences of that but if you're looking to get back into power it might be worth noting that trump ran his campaign heavily on anti-muslim sentiment. you shouldn't join along but it seems likely counterproductive to entirely ignore it. nb i understand while writing this that ppl on ilx will be horrified by the suggestion that it might not be the smartest political move to appoint him bc fuck anyone who wouldn't vote democratic bc of a black muslim dnc head and tbh i agree in my heart so there's no need to start a flame war. i just wonder in my head if it's a great move politically. xxp

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:19 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah not to be predictable but I think this post is fucked up. You combat anti Muslim sentiment by embracing Muslim allies not by pushing them to the side

This is the same logic I heard from dems afraid Obama couldn't win in 2008

Maybe if they pick a Muslim his opponents with think he's a secret not Muslim and leave him alone.

(Will think, that is)

Gary Younge of the Guardian: How Trump took Middle America (specifically, Muncie)

For the white working class, says Jamie Walsh, who voted for Trump, the benefits of being white aren’t obvious. “People are afraid that they’re stupid. This whole PC thing – racism, sexism. All this stuff is being stupid. All these isms are ignorance. People don’t feel racist, they don’t feel sexist … They feel marginalised because of their ignorance. You don’t want to offend people.”

Trump’s victory cannot be explained by racism alone. He won several states that Obama took easily in 2008 and 2012
It is in the precise place where race and class merge that a section of white America finds itself both bereft and beleaguered. “White privilege is like a blessing and a curse if you’re poor,” Walsh says. “White privilege pisses poor white people off because they’ve never experienced it on a level that they understand. You hear ‘privilege’ and you think money and opportunity and they don’t have it. There’s protected women, minorities – they have advocates. But there’s no advocates for poor people.”

...People are, of course, many things – male, white, straight, rural, college-educated and so on – and just one thing: themselves. It is that whole person, not a segment of it, that goes to the polls and that we need to understand. Hillary Clinton won women – but Trump won white women and older women.

This, despite the fact that his campaign was steeped in misogyny, lambasting women for their looks, dismissing women who accused him of sexual harassment as gold-digging liars, and excusing his own boasts of assault as “locker room talk”. He even passed judgment on Clinton’s looks, telling a crowd in North Carolina: “She walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn’t impressed.”

Bea Sousa, the former spokesperson for the League of Women Voters of Muncie-Delaware County, said a higher bar was set for Clinton than her male counterparts of the past. “I’ve met a lot of women who detest her intensely,” said Sousa, who said she was not a “rabid Hillary fan” herself. “I can’t take credit for this statement but I heard someone say, ‘We’ve gotten used to voting for males we don’t like. We’ve held our nose and we’ve voted for them for whatever reason. But we aren’t used to doing that with a woman.’ Our culture holds women to a higher standard.”

But once again, to isolate misogyny as the central factor in Clinton’s defeat would ignore the fact that 94% of black women went for Clinton – and black men were nearly twice as likely to vote Clinton as white women. Just as race alone cannot sufficiently explain the choices of Trump voters, looking at only class, or only gender, in the absence of race, cannot make sense of these disparities.

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election

Trump’s victory cannot be explained by racism alone. He won several states that Obama took easily in 2008 and 2012

this seems like a dangerous assumption..."you can't be a racist if you voted Obama"??

you don't get it, d-40. it's a jujitsu move - "we" push smart black leaders aside before the republicans can start trolling them. NOW what's up

Lol wow another article arguing it wasn't about race because some people voted for Obama