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Not to be a Berniebro but that Slate article about Ellison is pretty dumb or at least seriously slanted. I'm not pleased with Sanders's accomodationist phrases but they're treated here in a vacuum-, where Sanders's actual argument was ''i sure hope Donald Trump comes through on these two or maybe three items where we agree but if he instead continues his pattern of demagoguery I will be his worst enemy.'' And he's already issued a statement joining Warren in condemning Trump's transition team as evidence that he's already breaking promises to working people etc etc.

See also the UAW being smeared as ''pro-Trump'' because the president said sth to the effect of ''well we're against him on a million things and he doesn't share our values, but if he wants to coopt the anti-NAFTA platform we've been fighting for for decades, we're there so long as it's about good american jobs and not demonizing immigrants.''

it's michelle goldberg

plus for Ellison: the Israel lobby and Alan Dershowitz think he's an antisemite.

glad this continues to be of great significance to you. still does not answer my specific question though.

@DougHenwood
They’ve suffered a world-historic defeat and can’t face it. Centrist Dem politics is dead outside the liberal elite.

The only ways to fight Trump now are popular protest and civil disobedience, things that make liberals uncomfy. It’s up to the left.

Yes, all those "liberal elite" blacks and Latinos making less than $30,000 per year who voted for Clinton.

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Any turn of the DNC is important for future strategy on lower levels but for fuck's sake, we'd have President Clinton if not for like 40k people in three states who heard the FBI director mention the fucking email server again

so that political positions thing on his wiki literally has nothing to say about his economic positions. i don't think dems need to abandon the identity politics stuff entirely but it seems crazy that in light of this election they're going to move forward on someone who doesn't have economic stuff as the center of their political ideology.

like we decisively lost our stronghold rust belt states partly on the back of white supremacism and neglect (maybe, or at the least the appearance of) middle class economic needs and the collapse of manufacturing. so the solution is to get a black muslim guy who will likely exacerbate the identity politics divide that alienated said voters and who doesn't do anything to shore up the appearance of economic weakness. it feels a lot like doubling down on the hillary campaign strategy that failed.

Here you go Mordy http://m.startribune.com/ellison-focuses-on-the-economy/209719011/

Yes, all those "liberal elite" blacks and Latinos making less than $30,000 per year who voted for Clinton.

You think they were all happy about it? Trump got 26% of the Latina vote.

@ggreenwald
This is the choice groups like AIPAC seem to be making: to overlook the anti-semitic claims because of how much this will free up Israel:

“AIPAC has a long-standing policy of not taking positions on presidential appointments,” the group’s spokesman, Marshall Wittmann, said.

Whitman denied reports that the group was privately “apoplectic” about Bannon’s appointment.

But the dovish J Street slammed Bannon as a hate-monger who would be bad for the Jews — and Israel.

“He and his website have a history of aggressively targeting individuals and organizations, including J Street, with vicious attacks that show no regard for basic decency and tolerance, or for the truth,” it said.

J Street accused Trump of “fanning the flames of hatred” by appointing Bannon.

The ADL and other anti-hate groups have blasted Bannon’s appointment, but analyst say pro-Israel groups are by definition more concerned about foreign policy not his views, which critics call racist and anti-Semitic.

The right wing Zionist Organization of America praised Bannon effusively.

“We wish Mr. Bannon every success in his new position,” said ZOA chief Mort Klein.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/354458/pro-israel-groups-j-street-and-aipac-split-on-steve-bannon-appointment/

but he freaks out pro-Israel voters so that's a plus bc we should definitely try to alienate more parts of the democratic constituency.

Yes, all those "liberal elite" blacks and Latinos making less than $30,000 per year who voted for Clinton.

You think they were all happy about it? Trump got 26% of the Latina vote.

So Clinton only got 74% of that demographic? What a disaster for Latinas.

Why don't you go ask all of them, individually, if they were happy about it. That seems like a productive use of your time.

it was a mistake to come back to these threads

serious question - what do you get out of posting about israel? do you really gaf what the ZOA has to say about Bannon or are you just trying to troll me?

ellison's going to "exacerbate the identity politics divide"? accepting that formulation, how, exactly? by being black?

Does the vote percentage differ greatly if you exclude Cubans?

Days before the election Henwood was touting that some publishing house was releasing a book of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches with (surely obnoxious) forwards written by both him and Assange. I love these guys who literally for months argued that HRC was worse then Trump now are like "here's what the libs should have done to have prevented that obviously worse outcome we are now stuck with". Such pieces of shit who honestly should be apologizing acting so smug now.

by being a black muslim? like i said, it might be the right thing to ignore the potential consequences of that but if you're looking to get back into power it might be worth noting that trump ran his campaign heavily on anti-muslim sentiment. you shouldn't join along but it seems likely counterproductive to entirely ignore it. nb i understand while writing this that ppl on ilx will be horrified by the suggestion that it might not be the smartest political move to appoint him bc fuck anyone who wouldn't vote democratic bc of a black muslim dnc head and tbh i agree in my heart so there's no need to start a flame war. i just wonder in my head if it's a great move politically. xxp

If anyone can push back at Islamophobia, it's Keith Ellison. He builds coalitions and he's public-facing. There are about 40k Jewish people in his/my district, and most of them are his voters too.

good - i don't really know much about him. that article deej linked about him studying up on economic issues sounds promising.

urban left-wing american jews don't typically need to be convinced that islamophobia is bad

anyway I mostly agree w/ mordy's sentiment but also think that most people don't know who the DNC chair is anyway so it probably won't matter

this article pierce posted the other day blew my mind

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a50668/muslim-jewish-groups-team-up/

muslim and jewish associations getting together because they both face persecution in the US-fucking-A

also not unuseful he's in minnesota presumably, since that's somewhere dems just lost?

the right wing webrags are already saying he's in the "muslim brotherhood" which is fucking hilarious and also sad

omfg omfg omfg omfg

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@seanhannity just purchase my painting The Forgotten Man to give to President Trump to hang in the White House.

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no Mordy, i am not trying to troll you. Just highlighting GG's point that lobbyists are hedging on Bannon-critiquing cuz hey, no more anti-settlement rhetoric (and that's the limit of it) from the US.

AIPAC didn't comment on Hagel either whose appt if you remember was also controversial for far-right pro-Zionist voters. Their position has always been [radical] bipartisanship (which tbh makes a lot of sense for a lobbying org). ZOA's position is not surprising at all and neither is J-Street's.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/310078/trump-21-club-get-taxes-down-dont-worry-about-it-video

tbf it's not unusual for someone from outside the US to be interested in the politics of the world superpower since it'll likely impact them much more than say danish politics will impact US citizens

There's being interested and there's being interested though.

Also just to point out that it's not just about no more anti-settlement rhetoric. It's also about knowing that US will veto any security council resolutions (that are often not limited to settlement issues) and moving the embassy to Jerusalem (which let's see - GWB promised the same thing). I discussed this on I think the Israel & US interest thread but there are reasons for pro-Likud voters to be concerned about Trump too. He seems totally ready to cede Syria to Assad/Iran which is def not in the Bibi playbook.

tbf it's not unusual for someone from outside the US to be interested in the politics of the world superpower since it'll likely impact them much more than say danish politics will impact US citizens

There's being interested and there's being interested though.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:42 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and there's being interested and there's being the truth-teller and great representative of racial minorities and women while being a northern european man

fucking hell that painting.

It's nice to see so many presidents sticking up for Jason Segel though

If anyone can push back at Islamophobia, it's Keith Ellison. He builds coalitions and he's public-facing. There are about 40k Jewish people in his/my district, and most of them are his voters too.

― jane burkini (suzy), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:26 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You folks crack me up...Keith Ellison, riiiiiiight (wtf is "public-facing", by the way?). I love your kumbaya shout out for a Reid/Schumer-approved prowar, party lapdog with a big ole PAC of his own, though

Don't change, you guys, you got it all figured out. PS, Senate Dems "new" lineup lookin' good! LOL

in a perfect world, what would iago galdston like to see happen?

Why is Forgotten Man not collecting any of the money littering the ground? Maybe that would solve his problem.

What good is money when you have no pride?

Being followed around by all of the nation's presidents was kinda cool at first but it's really starting to bum him out at this point.

Forgotten Man is enormous.

welp dude you've got like three choices: go blow some shit up, emigrate, or self-immolate.

xxposts

Re: Muslims and Jews, this interfaith outreach has been happening increasingly for the last couple of years at our temple, as well as outreach to the west side of Chicago. It's a little tricky to mobilize, because of tax issues, but community building and especially the reunification of formerly very close allies benefits everyone.

^^ can we vote on which one?

xp

The Forgotten Manspread

xp to mark s - Clinton won Minnesota on a 74 per cent turnout, possibly the highest participation level in the US.

Iago, you know what? Keith Ellison is my congressman, he is a worthy progressive candidate with a huge majority in his district and he won't be cowed by the alt-wrong.

there is a piece on Giuliani's client list from the last decade or so in the NYT today and man, the run of Russian oligarchs and 'shadowy' Iranians is borderline hilarious. If his purported nomination can't be swatted down it's a disgrace.

yes sorry suzy (and everyone), i was watching the election by reading ilx in bed on my phone at 5 in the morning so my analysis is as useless as my memory

Wouldn't want to be New Balance these days. They can't win.

by being a black muslim? like i said, it might be the right thing to ignore the potential consequences of that but if you're looking to get back into power it might be worth noting that trump ran his campaign heavily on anti-muslim sentiment. you shouldn't join along but it seems likely counterproductive to entirely ignore it. nb i understand while writing this that ppl on ilx will be horrified by the suggestion that it might not be the smartest political move to appoint him bc fuck anyone who wouldn't vote democratic bc of a black muslim dnc head and tbh i agree in my heart so there's no need to start a flame war. i just wonder in my head if it's a great move politically. xxp

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:19 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah not to be predictable but I think this post is fucked up. You combat anti Muslim sentiment by embracing Muslim allies not by pushing them to the side