Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

I really think the only thing that could change the tide is if Fox became hyper-critical of him, like Obama levels.

but god knows something just as bad or worse would spring up in its wake.

has Robert Redford been cast as Bannon in the Trump biopic?

I read that Pizza the Hutt just beat him out.

he looks definitely unhealthy.

The bright side of this nightmare is that half of the Trump administration is probably like one good scare away from cardiac arrest.

trump's thin skin is just remarkable. he's a one-man rapid response team. could he be disabled by the press equivalent of a DDOS attack??

despite trump's doctor's memorably ringing endorsement to the contrary, i'm honestly not sure trump has the physical fortitude to make it through four years as president

i'm calling it now - dead of a coronary by 2018

could he be disabled by the press equivalent of a DDOS attack??

Forget the press, I can imagine some independent DDOS doing it. Hell, I can imagine him becoming the first president felled by a phishing scam. That's why he wants to bring his kids on board, to help him get on the internet and check his email.

This is a man who has had the freedom to do exactly what he wants to do and live however he wants to live for his entire adult life, and because of his fundamental incuriosity, I'm sure he never considered that that level of freedom simply doesn't apply to the most powerful office in the country. And because he gets bent out of shape over the tiniest slight, yeah, I can see this being a huge source of stress for him. And that's before you even take into consideration the awesome weight of responsibility and the massive workload, etc. I can see him keeling over from an aneurysm from a tantrum over not being allowed to sleep in his own gold-plated bed every night.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/16/13641538/trump-plane-secret-service

kind of a Shakespeareian tragedy, isn't it?

Can't knock the hustle

Frederik is actually a pretty good spokesman for the elite liberal ratfuck that just got their asses handed to them--quadruple down on the stupid, folks, it worked so well for y'all in the general. But be honest, Frederik, you wrote that Lenny Letter, didn't you?

This is a man who has had the freedom to do exactly what he wants to do and live however he wants to live for his entire adult life, and because of his fundamental incuriosity, I'm sure he never considered that that level of freedom simply doesn't apply to the most powerful office in the country. And because he gets bent out of shape over the tiniest slight, yeah, I can see this being a huge source of stress for him. And that's before you even take into consideration the awesome weight of responsibility and the massive workload, etc. I can see him keeling over from an aneurysm from a tantrum over not being allowed to sleep in his own gold-plated bed every night.

― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:27 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

again i'm not sure why we would think trump would take any of the demands of the role seriously. if he wants to just go to mar-a-lago or trump tower every night he will, he doesn't really give a shit

Frederik is actually a pretty good spokesman for the elite liberal ratfuck that just got their asses handed to them

― Iago Galdston, 16. november 2016 15:40 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Glad you think so, then at least I'm informative. You, on the other hand, are a piss poor spokesman for anything, your cowardice keeps you from putting forth anything but troll messages to others. You're worthless.

I've said before that I'd be more than happy to see some dissenting voices that were actually willing to engage in a discussion about this stuff, but Iago has done nothing but troll throughout this election and he clearly intends to continue that trend. I heartily support the mods threadbanning him from every political thread.

For the umpty-leventh time, the threadban function does not work.

i think it's >60% likely Trump will not serve the full 4 years, for voluntary reasons or not

but then he's not the whole problem

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/mike-pence-will-be-the-most-powerful-christian-supremacist-in-us-history/

The obvious bright thing is that he's alienating a generation of future voters, and hastening the end of GOP dominated state/local politics.

The only bright thing this week is Zuckerberg deciding to block the Macedonian sites spreading calumnies on Facebook. If social media recognizes they have a responsibility, then
it might force a lot of well-meaning aunts and grandmothers out of their bubble.

been seeing this go around as well, it's a start at least:

False, Misleading, Clickbait-y, and/or Satirical “News” Sources

i'm currently terrified that trump is going to mobilize his people to vote in trump surrogates in the midterms, and we'll get repeats of events like david brat taking down eric cantor

hey so somebody in another thread told me to shut the fuck up so i wrote an etiquette guide on the topic.

I'm kind of curious if I'm being sub-ilxed here, as that's not really what I was saying.

― Andrew Farrell

eh i don't know what "being sub-ilxed" means but whatever you said it's not a problem. :)

the good thing about being a reasonably tightly-knit community like this place is that we all pretty much know how who to ignore. far as i can tell the main result of iago's constant shit-stirring is occasional reminders from other posters that folks should ignore him.

i'm currently terrified that trump is going to mobilize his people to vote in trump surrogates in the midterms, and we'll get repeats of events like david brat taking down eric cantor

― 龜, Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:23 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark

in conjunction with

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/the-far-right-is-a-meme

People need to be less terrified by that prospect and be more active in mobilizing their own folks. Like now. I keep walking by the empty Dem office in my city and thinking, do they need me to take this shit over?

Low-information voters, an example, via digby:

There are a ton of numbers floating around right now about everything but this one actually made me laugh out loud. From Gallup:

Just 16% of Republicans said the economy was getting better in the week before the election, while 81% said it was getting worse. Since the election, 49% say it is getting better and 44% worse.

It's a miracle! He's not even in office and it's already getting better! 33% better!

Keith Ellison just endorsed by Elizabeth Warren for DNC chair!

i thought he was running himself?

seriously god bless anybody who has the fortitude and the patience for incrementalism. i don't. there's no polite way for me to say the things i feel like i need to say.

I think "deep canvassing" is increasingly going to become an established thing. It works here and there, but it does work.

if the Dem's response to this is to install Dean and Schumer, i think it's reasonable to abandon hope

Read more carefully: Ellison is running!

2018 looks p bad for Dems iirc. it'd be nice to have a comprehensive list of at-risk seats, as well as seats that *could* potentially flip our way, given an adequate infusion of cash & volunteering.

can someone give me the summary on why ppl are so excited by keith ellison? everything i've read about him is either identity politics or controversial statements (comparing gwb to hitler or being pro nation of islam). does he have bonafide left-wing economic acheivements that i can read about somewhere?

My fave quote of the week may be from the otherwise polite Trump supporter in the Times article about this election tearing families apart, cancelling Thanksgiving/weddings etc.:

As for racism and Mr. Trump, she said, “I don’t think there’s any proof of that.” She added: “I will say that, in his generation, those old guys, most of them kind of lean towards,” and then she paused. “It was a white world.”

I don't think he's racist, it's just that he comes from a generation when everyone was totally racist, so it's not really racism, it's just how it was, I mean come on.

Phil D., a lot of that change can be attributed to that question being a stand in for just whether you think things in general are going well or not. The answer probably swings because they feel more optimistic now that their candidate won. The disturbing part about this is that the economy is continuing to improve and is looking quite good at the moment, and probably Trump will get all the credit for that.

Maybe getting Trump elected was just all it took.

xp re: Josh's Thanksgiving comment

my 85-year old Trump-supporting father-in-law is seriously considering moving out of the house after I lost it on Sunday night when he said people "don't have the right to protest" :(

of course, the person this hurts most is my wife, so fucked. Thanksgiving is gonna be rough, if I even go.

I know Ellison is running, but i'm conditioned to expect the worst right now, aren't we all?

Don't waste your time expecting the worst, because there's always the possibility of something much worse than you'd expect happening instead.

Phil D., a lot of that change can be attributed to that question being a stand in for just whether you think things in general are going well or not. The answer probably swings because they feel more optimistic now that their candidate won. The disturbing part about this is that the economy is continuing to improve and is looking quite good at the moment, and probably Trump will get all the credit for that.

chances of unemployment being lower than it is now in a few years are very very low

That will be the next guy's fault

Maybe getting Trump elected was just all it took.

we should not be at all surprised when this becomes the official story

That will be the next guy's fault

it will still be Obama's fault, just like 9/11 and the 2008 economic collapse were both Clinton's fault. (but also time traveling Obama's fault)

xpost Seriously, unemployment is so relatively low that there literally is not much room for improvement. Trump is fucked on that front, especially, because lack of employment was not the driving election force, it was lack of good jobs, which is another matter and even harder to fix, especially when lack of movement on that front is compounded by lack of health, retirement, union benefits. And people will be all, huh, things have gotten markedly worse, where is my socialized everything that I hated because it was socialism but now want back because it was still not socialism but it definitely made my life better.

Been having some really good conversations with this secretary in my office who got involved in her local dem party and became a county legislator in a majority republican NY county. Dominican from the Bronx originally and I think maybe lesbian and in any case just really knows what's going on on the ground in the local and state party, good insights. She supported Sanders and def thinks the party needs to go in a more progressive direction but also thinks full-time chair is better for DNC and that the party might not be "ready" for Ellison being a Muslim, and I sincerely don't think she meant that out of any personal mistrust.

She also said some disheartening things about the NY State party (though not totally surprising) and says that they pretty much just rely on NYC and don't do much else, and that the Working Families Party does much more at the grass roots level to actually develop local candidates, train legislators etc.

Anyway, inspiring to talk to someone who just got the fuck in there and started working on things from the ground level. Made me want to do a lot more.

Awesome

2018 looks p bad for Dems iirc. it'd be nice to have a comprehensive list of at-risk seats, as well as seats that *could* potentially flip our way, given an adequate infusion of cash & volunteering.

― acerbic (sic)s (will), 16. november 2016 16:46 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I began this upthread. Seems to me only Nevada could be flipped to Dems, most at-risk seats are in the Midwest. But really, to everyone on here, if you want something really easily doable to do to help, do this: Begin with the list of elections in 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2012 Check out the close ones, check which incumbents are old and might want to step down. Really, there's only 33 races to watch, and many of them are decided already, it's not that hard for anyone to educate yourself, even if vox and 538 won't do it yet.

I know everyone is sick of elections, but perhaps a new thread for organizing before 2018? Perhaps it won't seems so shitty if everyone is ahead of the curve?

Perhaps Jeff Flake could be defeated in Arizona as well?

I'm for that, even if it means I have to keep reading Frederik B posts xp

I sort of like the idea of surprise attacking someone just slightly within the margin of "safe," like an unexpected flood of resources into the race. Don't know if that's possible in practice, but it seems like it might be a good addition to just grinding it out in the close races and hoping for the best. Also have to shore up anyone close to that "safe" margin on our side, because they can do the same.