Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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there's gonna be epic corruption in this admin, the question is who is going to be able to prosecute it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

Back to that Lapham essay, here's another excerpt from a better distillation of the idea of the provisional vs. permanent government: (plus the "ceaseless war of bureaucratic attrition" line that I love for some reason)

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2009/11/19/lapham-7/

The permanent government —

* the Congress,
* the civil and military services,
* the media,
* the legion of Washington lawyers and expensive lobbyists

occupies the anonymous hierarchies that remain safely in place no matter what the political truths voted in and out of the White House on the trend of a season. It is this government — sly and patient and slow — that writes the briefing papers and the laws, presides over the administrative routine, remembers who bribed whom in the election of 1968 and why President Carter thought it prudent to talk privately to God about the B-1 bomber. Except in the rare moments of jointly opportune interest, the permanent government wages a ceaseless war of bureaucratic attrition against the provisional government that once every 4 or 8 years accompanies a newly elected president to Washington.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

is that meant to be encouraging

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link

Latham often tried do sound like dollar edition Gore Vidal didn't he?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link

*Lapham

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link

I'm mostly seeing "their ideological interests have aligned" fucking us all for decades to come.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

KM, i'm really sorry you and your sis have to field that stuff your folks have bought into. That must be hard.

TNR piece on Obama's subtext seemed chillingly accurate. this is probably the biggest minefield an outgoing prez has had to tiptoe around.

now wait milo, the current Dem Admin certainly gave a shit about prosecuting the thieves and banksters who engineered the '08 bubb -- ohfuckit

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

this is your deep state america, cherish it

xp

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link

there's gonna be epic corruption in this admin, the question is who is going to be able to prosecute it

State AGs finding heretofore questionable bases for state charges?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link

lapham's institutions of permanent government are real but as recently as the nixon admin a president imo attempted to quietly build shadow institutions, dependent on his person, to usurp or co-opt the functions of that whole list.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link

(That's not very recent)

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link

i still wonder if trump winning stopped a lot of violence. bombings. race war type insanity. obviously we'll never know. could have been bad though. am i the only person who wonders that? i'm sure there were people waiting for that excuse.

scott seward, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

trump winning stopped a lot of violence that would have happened in that scenario. trump winning will also create a lot of violence, probably much, much more violence. sorry to get all miss cleo but i think it's true

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link

you're probably right.

scott seward, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

christie is also going to get indicted yall

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:17 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/president-trump-can-thank-paula-jones-his-legal-troubles

, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link

ha yeah –  I cited that SCOTUS decision a couple days ago upthread

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link

this is amazing

https://vimeo.com/190738676

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link

can we find a way to drag Pence repeatedly into court though?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/Abid_ism/status/798568643009318912

hehe

k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link

I can't stop thinking about this actual, totally real campaign ad that belongs in the "Things that just have to be Tim & Eric sketches" thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5kfC_VCXeQ

frogbs, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link

can we find a way to drag Pence repeatedly into court though?

obviously we don't want Pence president either, we just want the administration crippled/unable to act

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link

yeah, agreed on that, whatever works

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link

yeah just wait until an unarmed black man gets shot by the cops and blm protests it.. can see that escalating quickly

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link

I hope this is good news and not someone even shittier getting the post. who am I kidding thats probably exactly whats happening.

In a surprise development, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared to take himself out of the running for attorney general.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link

yeah but the rumor now is that AG could be Kris Kobach

goole, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link

dem senators think they have an opening against bannon, looks like

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/798611435416854528

goole, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link

idg why Giuliani would prefer Sec of State tbh. Sitting through complex negotiations doesn't really seem to be a thing he's interested in.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

In a surprising decision, Donald Trump has tapped Ann Coulter as his personal choice for attorney general, with the backing up key members of his inner circle.

nomar, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

I've been expecting way more ''old cronies from back home in the crooked real estate game'' types tbh. Would be totally sensible for Trump to pick an AG who's the equivalent of Harriet Miers. A loyalist, not necessarily a name we've ever heard of, specifically to shield himself from whatever's coming at the office legally.

dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link

is there a different thread where we've been covering Zuckerberg's non-apologies for Facebook's outsized influence on the election & the pile on of angry rejoinders?

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/donald-trump-won-because-of-facebook.html
https://www.wired.com/2016/11/facebook-alone-didnt-create-trump-click-economy/
https://shift.newco.co/im-sorry-mr-zuckerberg-but-you-are-wrong-65dbf8513424#.eqs30faco

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link

nomar, you stop that.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link

I'm half-convinced that he's going to start recruiting death row inmates for cabinet positions at this point.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link

yeah just wait until an unarmed black man gets shot by the cops and blm protests it.. can see that escalating quickly

Trump will pardon the cops before there can be an investigation, and he'll spike in popularity.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

is that after all the patriot gun squads have come out and shot up the town or before

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link

xpost I can't express to you the degree of relief I felt when I hovered over the link and confirmed that it was indeed an Onion article. My critical faculties are completely blown out at this point.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link

Funny but we're rapidly approaching Peak LOL Liberals Read Books

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/305920-two-presidential-electors-to-colleagues-dump-trump

thought at first this was a true case of faithless electors but nah it's just two democratic electors

, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

oh the pushed down stairs thing looks more complicated. the person who did it was apparently not a trump supporter, but someone who progressives are friendly with and a disabled rights advocate who, due to their condition, freaked out. the person pushed down the stairs is trying to get the message out and control the story and make sure no charges are pressed.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

You all know I say what I feel without filters and I have to say that I feel the prospect of a Trump presidency looks problematic at best

Evan, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link

Funny but we're rapidly approaching Peak LOL Liberals Read Books

― Kiarostami bag (milo z),

Just three weeks ago I was snickering at the number of anti-Bush books groaning on the uni library shelf, most published between 2002-2005.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link

Could someone explain the whole "sanctuary cities" thing? I don't think I'd even heard the term until Trump made an issue of it.

sarahell, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link

usu it's a city that doesn't use municipal $ to enforce immigration laws and where cops don't ask abt immigration status

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link

i think hitler coined that term.

scott seward, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link

it reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link

McCain Warns Against Russian Reset

"With the U.S. presidential transition underway, Vladimir Putin has said in recent days that he wants to improve relations with the United States. We should place as much faith in such statements as any other made by a former KGB agent who has plunged his country into tyranny, murdered his political opponents, invaded his neighbors, threatened America's allies, and attempted to undermine America's elections," the Arizona senator said in a statement, without any apparent irony or self-reflection.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

(The last bit added by me for emphasis, just for the sake of clarity and to hopefully forestall the complete collapse of factual reality.)

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link


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