Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

"but sure hey, Trump seems like a nice guy!" is not a thing Obama is going to think

Obama is well-socialized

are you saying he was a Communist?

Watching Obama now, he seems a little exhausted from restraining from shouting "good luck, and fuck all of you idiots."

I'm just saying O won't pardon Snowden and he'll go ahead and help Trump get started as smoothly as he can, as opposed to O covertly or overtly setting obstacles in his way and showing active mistrust. He does this because his respect for the system is greater than his dislike of Trump's policies. So, explain to me why this opinion, which so far has been borne out by Obama's words and actions, rests on my white privilege? kthxbye

He does this because his respect for the system is greater than his dislike of Trump's policies

Obama cares about his legacy. He doesn't want to see everything he worked for undone.

xp (hears faint sounds of furious typing in ilx land)

and, like I said, the personal level of animus between these two is very real

like Trump might write off his antics as "just politics", but Obama took that shit about his legitimacy personally

obama cares about his legacy and also probably cares a tiny bit about the entire world not falling apart.

obv he is trying to plant ideas in trump's head. the idea that he's been charmed over or whatever is pretty lol.

I don't know why it never occurred to me before, but a Trump win completely obviates any illusory need for a Mexican border wall. What non-white person would want to come here now? Maybe...maybe he was the wall the whole time, guys.

I applaud any Dems that want to schmooze Trump and pull some Mother Night shit for the next four years in an attempt to avert the complete disintegration of the country.

maybe he was the wall the whole time

http://www.pantomusicals.co.uk/dracula/digital/0203_talkingwall_small.jpg

I made the mistake of dipping into the Trumpverse fora last night just to see if even one had expressed some horror and disappointment about all the GOP insiders and lobbyists... nope.

he did get some alarmed tweets for describing same-sex marriage as "settled law" on 60M

Trumpverse is a cult. They aren't going to start realizing things. The spin they used to protect him during the campaigns is the same they're going to use to protect themselves from cognitive dissonance.

yeah this is a non-fact-based reality these people operate in

re: the ridiculous Sanders counterfactuals: https://twitter.com/FutureBoy/status/798226845070069762

smfh @ the NY Times: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/798136951324995584

Bolton's views on how the US should approach Syria seem at odds with the noises Trump has been making about supporting Assad and Putin in fighting ISIS

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/opinion/john-bolton-to-defeat-isis-create-a-sunni-state.html?_r=0

on first pass this analysis from derek davidson is good:

https://attwiw.com/2016/11/14/things-i-think-first-in-a-series/

I think that it makes much less sense to talk about the 2016 election in terms of how Donald Trump won than it does to talk about it in terms of how Hillary Clinton lost. The numbers are pretty clear: Trump will finish the election with only slightly more votes nationally that Mitt Romney earned in a losing campaign in 2012, while Clinton will finish with a couple of million less than Obama earned...

I think that we need to stop talking about how Democrats have to appeal to the “white working class.” Democrats need to start appealing to the working class, period. Working class minority communities may predominantly vote Democratic for reasons specific to those communities, but the Democratic Party stopped being the part of the working class, broadly speaking, in the run up to the 1992 election...

and this, big time -- i don't think it's hard to square this circle! i really don't

I think there’s nothing incongruous about supporting pro-worker economic policies, defending the basic rights and dignities of all at-risk minorities, and fighting for a stronger, less violent, more consistent foreign policy. Since the primary, I’ve frequently seen people advance the argument that leftists want to “throw [insert minority group] under the bus” in order to appeal to those “white working class” voters, who are all assumed to be irredeemable bigots. Well I don’t claim to speak for lefties everywhere, but to me that’s bullshit. I don’t want to appeal to bigots. If an agenda of higher wages, stronger social welfare programs, single payer healthcare, fair–not “free”–trade, and economic justice doesn’t appeal to white voters because they’re too racist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, etc., to appreciate it, then screw them. But I’m willing to bet that a political party that makes protection of minority rights paramount but also embraces, wholeheartedly, an economic agenda that benefits the 99% instead of the 1%, can win elections, big league.

Obama presser wrapping up right now underscores quietly that Trump has no fucking idea what he is in for.

re: the ridiculous Sanders counterfactuals: https://twitter.com/FutureBoy/status/798226845070069762

smfh @ the NY Times: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/798136951324995584

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2016 21:31 (nine minutes ago) Permalink

um, you realize there's opposition research in every election, right?

"Sanders would have face attacks, therefore he could not have won an election."

what is a face attack

will happily join any planned face attacks imo

is that like an involuntary spasm, or does his face literally leap off of his body and attack people

idk, I think that the Sandinista stuff would have damaged him. Isn't there some old article where he says some vaguely positive stuff about the USSR as well?

xp: because normally I'd say that the latter is definitely a campaign killer but after what just happened I guess it's all up in the air

it's a GS world after all

Former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. partner Steven Mnuchin has been recommended by Donald Trump’s transition team to serve as Treasury secretary, according to two people familiar with the process, and the choice is awaiting the president-elect’s final decision.

Mnuchin, the campaign’s national finance chairman, has been considered the leading candidate for the job. Trump has displayed a pattern of loyalty to his closest campaign allies in early administration selections, and Mnuchin, 53, had signed on at a time when many from Wall Street stayed away.

Before joining Trump, Mnuchin rose through the kind of elite institutions the president-elect spent his campaign vilifying. Mnuchin was tapped into Yale’s Skull and Bones secret society, became a Goldman Sachs partner like his father before him, ran a hedge fund, worked with George Soros, funded Hollywood blockbusters and bought a failed bank, IndyMac, with billionaires including John Paulson. They renamed it OneWest, drew protests for foreclosing on U.S. borrowers, and ultimately generated considerable profits, selling the business last year to CIT Group Inc. for $3.4 billion....

Mnuchin is best known for his 17-year career at Goldman Sachs, although he also served as a Hollywood producer for movies like “American Sniper,” “Mad Max: Fury Road” and “Suicide Squad.” He has also been widely regarded as one of the chief villains of the 2008 financial collapse.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-14/trump-advisers-said-to-recommend-mnuchin-for-treasury-secretary

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/14/draintheswamp-steven-mnuchin-ex-goldman-sachs-banker-tapped-to-run-treasury/

Sounds a lot like the opposition research they had on Obama. "Goddamn America," ties to the radical left, etc.

um, you realize there's opposition research in every election, right?

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, November 14, 2016 4:42 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sanders really faced basically none in the primary and that gave people an inflated view of how strong he was as a candidate

the first thing mentioned in that tweet was widely circulated during the primary

What's with old lefties and weird rape apologia in the '60s and '70s (I mean, aside from the usual misogyny) - doesn't the leader of the German Greens have something like that too?

Totally agree with those saying nothing can change the mind of the Trumpverse. My good buddy is a Trump supporter and it seems that he's able to shrug off anything Trump does by saying stuff like "I don't need to approve of all of his behavior". Regarding Trump's followers, he will brush it off with "They're not all like that" or that he's not like that. In summation, seems like my friend is probably angry and dissatisfied with how his life is and Trump keeps that loop going.

Voters in Michigan and Wisconsin voted against higher wages, stronger social welfare and stronger healthcare. I have no idea what 'fair trade' entails in concrete policies, and 'economic justice'? Michigan voters rewarded the party that poisoned Flints water supply.

obama was super charismatic candidate

bullshit controversies sticks to the candidates who aren't e.g. kerry w/ the swiftboat stuff

xp

tbh I think all Bernie oppo research stops and starts with "self-described socialist." Much as I respect the guy it's hard to see that not driving away a lot of people who are still scared of the word.

stick to* xp

I don't think it's even just the charisma deficit (though ofc that would be a factor), Obama was patently a fairly centrist democrat, so attempts to paint him as a left wing radical just looked hysterical, Sanders isn't a centrist dem and doesn't come across as one.

Iatee otm

what is a face attack

― ¶ (DJP)

ever seen "alien"?

on charisma - http://www.paulgraham.com/charisma.html

obviously a super simplistic framework...but the argument certainly doesn't seem worse 3 elections later

that sanders opps shit is some weak ass shit

this election was overdetermined. so many factors. you can propose just about any explanation and you'd be right.

"Mnuchin is best known for his 17-year career at Goldman Sachs, although he also served as a Hollywood producer for movies like “American Sniper,” “Mad Max: Fury Road” and “Suicide Squad.” He has also been widely regarded as one of the chief villains of the 2008 financial collapse."

That's... twisted

re: the ridiculous Sanders counterfactuals: https://twitter.com/FutureBoy/status/798226845070069762

smfh @ the NY Times: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/798136951324995584

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 14, 2016 4:31 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago

yo dawg we heard you liked counterfactuals so we countered your counterfactual with a counterfactual of our own, dawg

fact is we don't know what would have happened if bernie (or warren, or anyone) ran. i agree that people saying bernie or whoever "would have won" are being silly. but he might have. and the fact is, hillary did run and she lost. also lol @ the "environmental racist" thing, that was an attack point in the primary (lol peter daou) and no one cared. i have a hard time believing it would have mattered in the general

lol

xp

We welcome you to Mnuchin land!

The liberal media, folks

http://jezebel.com/the-washington-post-served-napkins-off-a-womans-body-at-1788966492?rev=1479160916499&utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

obama was super charismatic candidate

bullshit controversies sticks to the candidates who aren't e.g. kerry w/ the swiftboat stuff

I think there's a lot to be said about that

Hillary came off as someone who was way too prepared for everything, who constantly rehearsed in front of the mirror and memorized lines from her campaign website. Trump on the other hand had a whole lot of "come on, you know what I mean, right?", y'know, fill in the gaps. I think it was easy for people to believe that Hillary was being disingenuous and dishonest because she was so calculated. We don't know a whole lot of people who regularly talk like that.