Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

Chappelle was still alright overall. Wish he hadn't thrown in the bullshit at the end about giving Trump a chance.

During a set on (Nov. 4) at New York's Cutting Room, according to Observer, Chappelle admitted that he voted for Clinton, but "didn't feel good" about it. “She’s going to be on a coin someday. And her behavior has not been coin-worthy,” he told the crowd. “She’s not right and we all know she’s not right.”

He even speculated that Clinton herself leaked the "Access Hollywood" hot mic tapes to the media.

“What I heard on that tape was gross,” he said. “But the way I got to hear it was even more gross. You know that came directly from Hillary.”

Chappelle continued that what Trump said didn't sound like "sexual assault" to him and that the media "twisted" Trump's words. "He said, ‘And when you’re a star, they let you do it.’ That phrase implies consent. I just don’t like the way the media twisted that whole thing. Nobody questioned it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/dave-chappelle-media-twisted-trump-words-leaked-tape-article-1.2859806

It's all I can do, literally, to keep from getting up from my desk, opening my office door, walking into the hall, opening his office door and beating him to death.

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, November 14, 2016 10:22 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago)

Considering how many pro-Clinton people on these threads were convinced that Clinton would win, this seems a bit hypocritical.

gwen ifill died. 61. RIP.

in lieu of presents this year (and because I am broke and have no money of my own to donate) we are going to request that our family members make donations in our name to either the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NRDC, Southern Poverty Law Center, or MALDEF.

I did sign up to give an (admittedly tiny - but it was what they asked for) monthly amount to moveon.org for the first time

xp

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 14, 2016 2:14 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did the same -- asked for Center for Constitutional Rights or ACLU and wife is asking for Planned Parenthood. Offering to do same for family members in return, so effect is multiplied instead of the net zero of gifts. Also donated to Foster Campbell's senate race -- by some weird system they have it's still going on and we can pick up one more Senate seat.

Well, yes, clearly we all got that wrong. But not so wrong that I felt I could confidently write in Deez Nutz or whatever the hell. If you're going to spend weeks smugly telling everyone not to be "fooled" or "scared" into voting for the lesser of two evils, you can't then act surprised or dismayed when you actually end up with the bigger evil.

you're also in ohio, aren't you phil?

daaaang gwen ifill rip.

so, it's okay that you were wrong, but not okay that he was wrong?

Phil I do understand where that feeling comes from, and I sort of get the anger (and we're all looking for something to be angry at rn). At the same time, I just feel like it's more productive to focus on how a campaign can garner more enthusiasm next time rather than blaming people for being complacent.

any politics that blames the individual voters is not much of a politics

It's OK that he was wrong, it's not OK that he's acting surprised at the consequence of his action. I did what I could to ensure Trump wouldn't win, he didn't.

xp Yes, I am in Ohio.

yeah 3rd party voters in swing states are extra nutty, going into election day ohio polls were bad

Also donated to Foster Campbell's senate race -- by some weird system they have it's still going on and we can pick up one more Senate seat.

I don't understand this at all - can anyone explain what's going on here?

yeah that's a headscratcher. I wound up voting Clinton in a heavy blue state, taking nothing for granted.

man alive, I get that, I do, but as I intimated way upthread, if what it takes to garner more enthusiasm now is playing into this white resentment/white identity politics garbage, I don't want to do it, and I sure as heck don't want the Democratic Party to do it. (e.g. Bernie Sanders' tweet today about being "humiliated" that Democrats don't know how to talk to the white working class.)

this anti-3rd party voters schtick is gross, guys.

there's a few big races still open xp

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/undecided-election-231295

I really don't think class politics has to be white-exclusive or race-based.

Not like anyone cares about these quislings, but it's been amusing to me to read how quiet NRO has gotten: a couple of daily posts, tired liberal baiting which even the writers, I sense, are bored of. Same goes for Weekly Standard types like Bill Kristol (aka Bannon's "renegade Jew") and Steve Hayes. They lost and they know it. For the first time in a GOP administration they're irrelevant.

I wound up voting Clinton in a heavy blue state, taking nothing for granted.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, November 14, 2016 2:29 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark

as iatee has pointe dout, voting in a blue state contributes to hillary's popular vote margin of victory - it's accretive.

lol I thought "pointe dout" was a french rhetorical term for a sec

this white resentment/white identity politics garbage

it may be "garbage" but it's real.

while sanders would have done better on that issue and trump will have egg on his face in a few years when all those rust belt factories are still crumbling, I really wonder if we can 'beat' the combination of white identity politics + "I will literally give all of you good jobs" w/ smart folksy sanders socialism or whatever.

The way these blockers work is to analyse if the manually blocked accounts has someone in common that they follow, then blacklist followers of those accounts. The reason it works is because people like for instance Lee Fang rile up his followers with falsehoods against people he disagrees with, then throws up his hands when that inevitably results in harassment. Having a blocker puts a roadblock on a main way that online harassment works. It's not about criticism at all, it's about drowning in useless messages, some critical, some harassing, some even threatening, every time the same dude tweets something negative about you.

x-posts.

Yes, I know it's real. And if you have to pander to it to get votes, I don't want any part of it.

I really don't think class politics has to be white-exclusive or race-based.

I hope not. It seemed that way in 2008 and 2012. I guess we'll see in two years.

BTW: http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/39/47/dtg-trump-attack-bar-tabac-2016-11-18-bk.html

while sanders would have done better on that issue and trump will have egg on his face in a few years when all those rust belt factories are still crumbling, I really wonder if we can 'beat' the combination of white identity politics + "I will literally give all of you good jobs" w/ smart folksy sanders socialism or whatever.

― iatee, Monday, November 14, 2016 2:34 PM (one minute ago)

i think at this point it's most important to keep blaming third party voters

you can't beat lies with the truth until people care about the truth

I don't think it's just the socialism tbh, I think it's also something about the way Sanders just sounds sincere in his concern for working people, backed up at least in some sense by his record and consistency. Some people just respond to a perception of personal integrity. I think it would indeed be a mistake for democrats to think they can just, like, reengineer some standard-issue democrat slightly toward a more class-oriented politics and win. I mean that's sort of what "progressive Clinton" was.

xp - I'm not saying that Sanders' socialism is even the answer, or the best alternative.

If Trump follows in the footsteps of his "mentor," there will be major infrastructure projects that will employ these rust belt people, and maybe he will create a new American car in his image.

lolling @ a car that looks like Trump

any politics that blames the individual voters is not much of a politics

http://i.imgur.com/Ds8bxYo.gif

GOP hates infrastructure projects, that isn't going to happen

it wouldn't look like those dull volkswagons for sure. It would be the best car!

the wall is an infrastructure project, right

^^

IDK, I wouldn't rule it out as part of a deal for slashing other fed spending. plenty of politicians of all stripes still like pork barrel projects don't they?

Sanders didn't have to beat Trump amongst white voters, just chip into it enough to win the extremely close Midwest. And he would probably have at least tried, though probably not for the right reasons.

However, he didn't win the primaries. And it wasn't close. And it wasn't because the DNC conspired to put all the debates on saturdays and leak to Clinton that people in Flint was concerned about Flint. The real question is more that if someone like Sanders could win the election, how will you get them to win the primaries? And Sanders' recent tweets doesn't help with that, sigh.

Don't know much about Peter Daou, but I do recommend the album he produced for his wife Vanessa setting Erica Jong poems to soft jazz.

I don't think it's just the socialism tbh, I think it's also something about the way Sanders just sounds sincere in his concern for working people, backed up at least in some sense by his record and consistency. Some people just respond to a perception of personal integrity. I think it would indeed be a mistake for democrats to think they can just, like, reengineer some standard-issue democrat slightly toward a more class-oriented politics and win. I mean that's sort of what "progressive Clinton" was.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, November 14, 2016 2:37 PM (three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

during the primary campaign there was a whole messaging movement, parroted by many on these threads, that anything suggesting clinton was insincere or not a true progressive was simply naked misogyny or an internalization of right-wing talking points. it was repeated and trotted out so often that i think the people making the argument even came to believe it themselves. seems in retrospect like projecting a whole host of positions, beliefs, and virtues on someone like clinton was...a mistake

#actually bernie's recent tweets...are fine

yeah, that was stifling to say the least xp

think it's weird to suggest that this election was actually about issues/policies/positions in any way - it was about competing cults of personality.

xp

in the end clinton's image was successfully tarnished by those right-wing talking points, so it seems like 'not-not a thing' that the left spent the primary tearing her image down

is that same peter daou!!!!? i interviewed him (and vanessa) in the 80s re some dance records they made for nu-groove

i guess that was a very long time ago

who even thought Clinton was a true progressive? I mean, there were plenty of people on the left bringing out right-wing talking points to discredit her, some of them scarily false -- scary, in that I had hoped people on the left would "know better." But she was/is a moderate, and the argument in her favor was pragmatic.

K3vin get's it. The answer to the election of Donald Trump is obviously to care less about misogyny.

i see you've been running my posts through google translate again

k3v, do you watch the History Channel show, Vikings?

a lot of mistakes were made in the democratic primary, the first one being forgetting that the purpose of running a primary is to gauge what your electorate wants, not to confirm that they want what you want them to want

I'm not going to sit here and say that progressive concerns about Clinton's closeness to big finance (for example) weren't sincere or warranted, or can just be dismissed as internalized right-wing talking points; but in the cold light of day, SECRET SPEECHES TO GOLDMAN SACHS looks like pretty weak tea next to "Trump may name Jamie Dimon as Sec. of the Treasury."