Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

peace to kate mckinnon but even just the screenshots of her-hillary singing leonard cohen were sickening; couldn't bring myself to watch it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i just can't

yeah, that was some serious bathos

I'll never watch SNL again myself

idk if consensus about what went wrong/who's responsible is necessary - what's necessary is immediately moving forward towards shared goals, ie pressuring Dems not to cave/compromise on anything, support the mounting of legal challenges to GOP agenda, grassroots support of community institutions, local Dem candidates, and charitable organizations/lobbying groups

xp

*applause* xxxp

i watched it to affirm my certainty that the Clintonmachine lives on sufficiently to run Cuomo in 2020.

(not because of the McKinnon thing, but because they aided and abetted Trump and should not be forgiven for it)

xp

the election was decided by a 1% margin, so everything that could conceivably be responsible *is* responsible

I don't think the left will actually have much in-fighting in the near future. we have more to agree on when we're the opposition. plus bernie and warren are legitimate figureheads in the party now, not part of the fringe.

xps

Chappelle was still alright overall. Wish he hadn't thrown in the bullshit at the end about giving Trump a chance.

Speaking of tax break, whatever I get from Trump's tax plan is getting evenly split between my family's emergency leave america fund and donations to anti-Trump/GOP causes.

yeah Warren and Sanders are clearly going to be leaders moving forward

xp

i followed chu during gg because he kept track of all the interlocking controversies happening in nerdworld. but then his politics started to show as sort of one-note so i stopped. defense of thatcher on feminist grounds might have been the last straw. i just checked and i am blocked. i think following any of the chapo set is enough.

a lot of the online left is v rude it's true but we have to start looking to people who see things clearly. you have to be able to draw a distinction between people who, say, tweet someone like jill filipovic "feminism is cancer, the rope is coming" and someone who says "you are a rich tourist with bad ideas"

yeah, I mean maybe they take so much of it that they feel a little thin-skinned about randos criticizing them online, but, you know, it's twitter!

in lieu of presents this year (and because I am broke and have no money of my own to donate) we are going to request that our family members make donations in our name to either the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NRDC, Southern Poverty Law Center, or MALDEF.

I did sign up to give an (admittedly tiny - but it was what they asked for) monthly amount to moveon.org for the first time

xp

"identity activists" is a really dumb turn-of-phrases and i'm pretty glad i haven't encountered it before now.

Chappelle was still alright overall. Wish he hadn't thrown in the bullshit at the end about giving Trump a chance.

I feel like you didn't actually hear what Chappelle said if you're going to describe the end of his monologue as bullshit.

Speaking of tax break, whatever I get from Trump's tax plan is getting evenly split between my family's emergency leave america fund and donations to anti-Trump/GOP causes.

i don't know your financial situation, but you might not save money. the top 1% will definitely save money though.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/26/news/economy/trump-tax-plan/

totally identify with Josh here. my Dad voted Trump - he was quite vocal about doing so (he's the sort who believes 9/11 was a hoax and that we never landed on the moon). my wife, who is Mexican, told me on Wednesday, "I love your Dad but I don't know if I'm ready to see him for a while". quite frankly I feel the same.

Chappelle was still alright overall. Wish he hadn't thrown in the bullshit at the end about giving Trump a chance.

During a set on (Nov. 4) at New York's Cutting Room, according to Observer, Chappelle admitted that he voted for Clinton, but "didn't feel good" about it. “She’s going to be on a coin someday. And her behavior has not been coin-worthy,” he told the crowd. “She’s not right and we all know she’s not right.”

He even speculated that Clinton herself leaked the "Access Hollywood" hot mic tapes to the media.

“What I heard on that tape was gross,” he said. “But the way I got to hear it was even more gross. You know that came directly from Hillary.”

Chappelle continued that what Trump said didn't sound like "sexual assault" to him and that the media "twisted" Trump's words. "He said, ‘And when you’re a star, they let you do it.’ That phrase implies consent. I just don’t like the way the media twisted that whole thing. Nobody questioned it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/dave-chappelle-media-twisted-trump-words-leaked-tape-article-1.2859806

It's all I can do, literally, to keep from getting up from my desk, opening my office door, walking into the hall, opening his office door and beating him to death.

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, November 14, 2016 10:22 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago)

Considering how many pro-Clinton people on these threads were convinced that Clinton would win, this seems a bit hypocritical.

gwen ifill died. 61. RIP.

in lieu of presents this year (and because I am broke and have no money of my own to donate) we are going to request that our family members make donations in our name to either the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NRDC, Southern Poverty Law Center, or MALDEF.

I did sign up to give an (admittedly tiny - but it was what they asked for) monthly amount to moveon.org for the first time

xp

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 14, 2016 2:14 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did the same -- asked for Center for Constitutional Rights or ACLU and wife is asking for Planned Parenthood. Offering to do same for family members in return, so effect is multiplied instead of the net zero of gifts. Also donated to Foster Campbell's senate race -- by some weird system they have it's still going on and we can pick up one more Senate seat.

Well, yes, clearly we all got that wrong. But not so wrong that I felt I could confidently write in Deez Nutz or whatever the hell. If you're going to spend weeks smugly telling everyone not to be "fooled" or "scared" into voting for the lesser of two evils, you can't then act surprised or dismayed when you actually end up with the bigger evil.

you're also in ohio, aren't you phil?

daaaang gwen ifill rip.

so, it's okay that you were wrong, but not okay that he was wrong?

Phil I do understand where that feeling comes from, and I sort of get the anger (and we're all looking for something to be angry at rn). At the same time, I just feel like it's more productive to focus on how a campaign can garner more enthusiasm next time rather than blaming people for being complacent.

any politics that blames the individual voters is not much of a politics

It's OK that he was wrong, it's not OK that he's acting surprised at the consequence of his action. I did what I could to ensure Trump wouldn't win, he didn't.

xp Yes, I am in Ohio.

yeah 3rd party voters in swing states are extra nutty, going into election day ohio polls were bad

Also donated to Foster Campbell's senate race -- by some weird system they have it's still going on and we can pick up one more Senate seat.

I don't understand this at all - can anyone explain what's going on here?

yeah that's a headscratcher. I wound up voting Clinton in a heavy blue state, taking nothing for granted.

man alive, I get that, I do, but as I intimated way upthread, if what it takes to garner more enthusiasm now is playing into this white resentment/white identity politics garbage, I don't want to do it, and I sure as heck don't want the Democratic Party to do it. (e.g. Bernie Sanders' tweet today about being "humiliated" that Democrats don't know how to talk to the white working class.)

this anti-3rd party voters schtick is gross, guys.

there's a few big races still open xp

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/undecided-election-231295

I really don't think class politics has to be white-exclusive or race-based.

Not like anyone cares about these quislings, but it's been amusing to me to read how quiet NRO has gotten: a couple of daily posts, tired liberal baiting which even the writers, I sense, are bored of. Same goes for Weekly Standard types like Bill Kristol (aka Bannon's "renegade Jew") and Steve Hayes. They lost and they know it. For the first time in a GOP administration they're irrelevant.

I wound up voting Clinton in a heavy blue state, taking nothing for granted.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, November 14, 2016 2:29 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark

as iatee has pointe dout, voting in a blue state contributes to hillary's popular vote margin of victory - it's accretive.

lol I thought "pointe dout" was a french rhetorical term for a sec

this white resentment/white identity politics garbage

it may be "garbage" but it's real.

while sanders would have done better on that issue and trump will have egg on his face in a few years when all those rust belt factories are still crumbling, I really wonder if we can 'beat' the combination of white identity politics + "I will literally give all of you good jobs" w/ smart folksy sanders socialism or whatever.

The way these blockers work is to analyse if the manually blocked accounts has someone in common that they follow, then blacklist followers of those accounts. The reason it works is because people like for instance Lee Fang rile up his followers with falsehoods against people he disagrees with, then throws up his hands when that inevitably results in harassment. Having a blocker puts a roadblock on a main way that online harassment works. It's not about criticism at all, it's about drowning in useless messages, some critical, some harassing, some even threatening, every time the same dude tweets something negative about you.

x-posts.

Yes, I know it's real. And if you have to pander to it to get votes, I don't want any part of it.

I really don't think class politics has to be white-exclusive or race-based.

I hope not. It seemed that way in 2008 and 2012. I guess we'll see in two years.

BTW: http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/39/47/dtg-trump-attack-bar-tabac-2016-11-18-bk.html

while sanders would have done better on that issue and trump will have egg on his face in a few years when all those rust belt factories are still crumbling, I really wonder if we can 'beat' the combination of white identity politics + "I will literally give all of you good jobs" w/ smart folksy sanders socialism or whatever.

― iatee, Monday, November 14, 2016 2:34 PM (one minute ago)

i think at this point it's most important to keep blaming third party voters

you can't beat lies with the truth until people care about the truth

I don't think it's just the socialism tbh, I think it's also something about the way Sanders just sounds sincere in his concern for working people, backed up at least in some sense by his record and consistency. Some people just respond to a perception of personal integrity. I think it would indeed be a mistake for democrats to think they can just, like, reengineer some standard-issue democrat slightly toward a more class-oriented politics and win. I mean that's sort of what "progressive Clinton" was.

xp - I'm not saying that Sanders' socialism is even the answer, or the best alternative.

If Trump follows in the footsteps of his "mentor," there will be major infrastructure projects that will employ these rust belt people, and maybe he will create a new American car in his image.

lolling @ a car that looks like Trump

any politics that blames the individual voters is not much of a politics

http://i.imgur.com/Ds8bxYo.gif

GOP hates infrastructure projects, that isn't going to happen

it wouldn't look like those dull volkswagons for sure. It would be the best car!

the wall is an infrastructure project, right

^^