It makes sense that a vicious thug would surround himself with similar types of people.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 November 2016 00:59 (seven years ago) link
extravagantly wealthy men who have never heard the word no
― Clay, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
Well, yeah, and it's not normal to have a vicious thug in the white house, obviously. But you'd think the media would think the pick of Bannon would be a scandal because of that report. But no.
'New Trump appointee has a history of domestic violence
...yadayadayada....
The president elect himself was accused by his first ex-wife of spousal rape in 1991, and during the election a taped recording showed him bragging about getting away with sexual assault. Later ten women came forth with accusations of sexual assault.
Steve Bannon is expected to start at...'
Like, that's the story. That's why if you've got a history of attacks against women, you don't hire people with a history of attacks against women as your special adviser.
Argh, I'm going insane, why am I writing this to you? As if anyone here disagrees. As if anyone in the media disagrees. And yet they won't write about it.
― Frederik B, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link
Don't worry, the fun cover story on Bannon in next week's People will help us all see what a good choice he is. Look, he's relaxing in a pool, just like regular folks!
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link
P.S. I am melting down and worrying about my long-term physical health and starting to sincerely wonder whether I'm going to survive four years of this.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:14 (seven years ago) link
it's not normal to have a vicious thug in the white house
Are we sure about this, really? I feel like we're deciding to treat mid-20th Century values (like, say, FDR through LBJ) as the norm. Trump is probably not all that different from politicians of the 19th and early 20th Centuries.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:20 (seven years ago) link
the office had less power during those periods
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:21 (seven years ago) link
Andrews Jackson and Johnson, Harding, and Nixon are three of the most perfidious Oval Office inhabitants, but at least Harding had a sentimental streak.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:21 (seven years ago) link
No, in the long perspective, a lot of them probably were spousal rapists, and Andrew Jackson straight up killed a guy for insulting him.
― Frederik B, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:31 (seven years ago) link
i see that 60 minutes has decided to get into the PR business
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:36 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT0Rjc6jKCg
― van smack, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:37 (seven years ago) link
I haven't been able to take the media seriously since W's war in Iraq.
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:40 (seven years ago) link
if medicare gets phased out in 2017, my mom will miss getting grandmothered in by one year - she won't be 65 until December 2018. i wonder if she's even vaguely aware of that.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm trying desperately to hang on to my last shreds of hope, no way am I watching 60 Minutes fawn over him.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
Yeah spare yrself OL, it's a soft-focus rimjob
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:54 (seven years ago) link
Btw was saddened to read yr post upthread. I hope things start turning around for you
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 14 November 2016 01:56 (seven years ago) link
xps that video is the headline on Drudge rn. it's brutal. i remember watching many of those clips as they aired.
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:59 (seven years ago) link
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, November 13, 201
I can recommend a couple gay threads
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 November 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link
my Trump induced Depression/Anxiety ended sometime yesterday. big relief. it is still terrible of course but more rationally than emotionally and physically. hope you turn around soon, Old Lunch. also no shame in taking a day or two off twitter/news/ilx to clear the mind
― flopson, Monday, 14 November 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
Can't see a link anywhere to this Ezra Klein piece--excellent.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13578618/why-did-trump-win
"It's easy to come up with stories where Clinton could have gained 2 points, or to theorize that another candidate could have gained 4. But on the merits, this should have been 60-40, or 50-40-10...I can’t confidently explain his win."
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 November 2016 23:09 (yesterday) Permalink
This piece "gets it" I think... except when it's time to bring everything home and just say straight up that the GOP won because of its racist politics and there was really nothing else coming close to having such an effect
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
Like he brings that all up, like "2 + 2 isn't 3, and it's not 5. There's some strong evidence it's 4. So what is 2+2? I'm not sure, and that scares me."
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
During their private White House meeting on Thursday, Mr. Obama walked his successor through the duties of running the country, and Mr. Trump seemed surprised by the scope, said people familiar with the meeting. Trump aides were described by those people as unaware that the entire presidential staff working in the West Wing had to be replaced at the end of Mr. Obama’s term.After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.
After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 14 November 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
same article: priebus's job is "to make the trains run on time," says member of trump transition team.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:02 (seven years ago) link
Lots of ppl posting this on fb
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14925634_10153847166116890_6368362774375574730_n.jpg?oh=2016e47e130d552e961aee1bc17b911a&oe=58CBBD50
something that really irks me about this logic. not sure any of these really quite get at it but
- you can help black/muslim/lgbt/latino americans AND indigenous ppl in Canada- climate change or nuclear war would affect us, too- "these are all worse conditions than African-Americans experience in the United States" i find this sickening, it's not a contest guys!- as sick as the 'score-keeping' is, if you're gonna do it at least don't ignore that US also genocided their native population, and treat them like shit!
way I see it Americans are gonna need our help and i'm there for yall. of course being smug is bad but enough of this 'lets fix our own backyard first' bs
― flopson, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:06 (seven years ago) link
On the "what is to be done?" front, I want to share an article I just read about how some of the wins on Tuesday (Kamala Harris in CA, Charles Todd Henderson for Jefferson County AL DA) point the way to how local work on criminal justice issues can also help build progressive coalitions and electoral gains. https://www.thenation.com/article/election-night-saw-victories-in-local-criminal-justice-reform-this-should-be-the-beginning/
An excerpt:
The election of Donald Trump may send forth global tremors in many areas. But it changes very little on issues related to criminal-justice reform as practiced at the local level. Roughly 50 million people live in just 15 of the counties that Clinton won this week. Some of these counties voted for Clinton by a margin of 2-1. If disheartened citizens and advocates chose to refocus their resources and attention to pushing reforms in these places, they could quickly see significant gains in the battle to end mass incarceration and help secure relief for millions of Americans.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:06 (seven years ago) link
Obama is truly remarkable and I hope he's able to make a positive impact on Trump.
― Mordy, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link
Yeah it's been a bit irritating to see all the articles about "why Trump won" that make it look easy to call in hindsight (especially that Jonathan Pie video...barf). Like...at best, it was a fluke, with Comey's letters arriving at the worst times, voter suppression happening in the worst states, and Trump winning by getting a bunch of rust belt states by a small margin. I don't remember anyone calling the "Trump wins but loses popular vote" scenario as a possibility, besides Nate Silver. Even the people who really did see it coming got it wrong too...Bill Mitchell and Scott Adams both said Trump was going to win by a landslide, and obviously that didn't happen. My prediction that principled Republicans wouldn't vote for such an obviously terrible person and a blatant con man was...very off
― frogbs, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link
Lol Bill Mitchell and Scott Adams only 'saw it coming' in a Gettier paradox-style "look at a stopped clock at noon but it was actually noon" type of way
― flopson, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:12 (seven years ago) link
something that really irks me about this logic
Yr points are valid, but I do think there's value in retaining perspective and resisting Canadian complacency/exceptionalism, this is probably not the thread to be having that discussion at length tho
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:21 (seven years ago) link
This is all so hilarious and surreal.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:23 (seven years ago) link
i still can't believe they didn't know they had to replace all the white house staff
― j., Monday, 14 November 2016 03:29 (seven years ago) link
Bill Mitchell, sure - dude legit thought Trump was going to win by 10
Scott Adams wound up having a few good observations - namely the idea that voters apparently did not care about facts at all this election. Of course his descent into one-eye-shut "hmmm seems to me only the Hillary people are getting violent and hateful here" alt-right idiocy is unforgivable
― frogbs, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:30 (seven years ago) link
Here's the Canadian politics thread for anyone who wants to chime in: Because It's 2016: Canadian Politics in Sunnier Days
― hardcore dilettante, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:30 (seven years ago) link
Like Adams did a pretty good job explaining how and why a lot of Trump's "persuasion" wound up working, why he was able to command such a crowd and cult of personality despite knowing nothing and never telling the truth about anything
The fact that he was rooting for him all along despite correctly identifying him as a con man was really gross though
― frogbs, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:35 (seven years ago) link
A thought that occurred to me re stuff like his not knowing they had to replace the white house staff: during the W years it was really, really easy to get lulled into focusing on all the absurdist comedy and boobery of the presidency (just as it had been during the election, when no liberals thought he could really win). While comic relief is sometimes needed, it will be a shame if we waste much energy on "lol drumpf!" jokes as the GOP dismantles the architecture of the liberal federal govt.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:38 (seven years ago) link
It's happening already. The joeks about his terrible taste in sofas and cutlery were old before Nov. 8.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:41 (seven years ago) link
it's not comic relief, i literally just keep thinking obsessively about that fact over and over because it is incredible
― j., Monday, 14 November 2016 03:41 (seven years ago) link
a state of emergencyis where I want to be
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:43 (seven years ago) link
and the goddamn size of his hands, who gives a fuck
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
as the GOP dismantles the architecture of the liberal federal govt lol I'm thinking no, that would require a plan
again, please go and tell everyone you know to apply! https://apply.ptt.gov/ (the content of that entire form and the backend it feeds was built long before they knew who would win, just in case that wasn't obvious)
They honestly just learned this week that they need like 3000 people. They did not know they needed to hire 3000 people. They need to hire hundreds of people between now and February. They have no idea who should be doing what. Put your name in the hat!
― El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
The problems, as I see them, were:
1.) Hillary's messaging centered too much on personality -- both hers and Trump's -- even though people didn't especially like her. She lacked a unifying, graspable message beyond experience and the glass ceiling. People were unaware that her platform was actually super dope.2.) The media misrepresented her "scandals" to drive ratings and to create an appearancepf balance in an election that pitted a distinguished stateswoman against a notorious con artist and race baiter. Perhaps more significantly, garbage right wing conspiracy sotrs infilitrated the nation's news feeds. This contributed to the cloud of mistrust surrounding her, which tarnished her image even among non-deplorables.3.) tens of millions of people in America are truly reckless and would rather have their anger validated than see anything productive happen in their government. Maybe their bitterness is justified, to a point, but their tolerance of racism, misogyny and lying is not acceptable.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
Hillary didn't count on 3.) especially, hence her ads, which hinged on the idea that people would recognize that Trump's unfitness to lead was self evident
― Treeship, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:53 (seven years ago) link
Tombot, Paul Ryan and the GOP congress have that plan dude.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:55 (seven years ago) link
The only potential saving grace is that Trump isn't one of them. He may actually turn out to be better than a Cruz or a Rubio if his arrogance and narcissism means he blocks some of their agenda. OTOH he may be too bumbling and lazy and clueless and easy to manipulate for that to be the case.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 November 2016 03:56 (seven years ago) link
yes and their plan is "Step 1. Burn down the most popular program in the government"
― El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:01 (seven years ago) link
I know, and I sure hope the third rail effect works, but I've been burned a lot of times by now thinking "The GOP are stupid and I'm just gonna sit back and watch them play themselves"
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 November 2016 04:02 (seven years ago) link
still think the media treating this entire election like an episode of WWE Raw contributed a lot to Hillary's loss
― frogbs, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:02 (seven years ago) link
take 5 minutes to play around with this.
http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:41 (seven years ago) link
lol, one of the popular conservative outlets is "Western Journalism" (WJ), which chose the exact same font for its logo as Wall Street Journal (WSJ) so that it appears more legitimate
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link
re: Trump anxiety/depression/fear, the moment it all started to turn on tuesday night around 9:30pm EST, it really felt exactly like the gradual slipping into a nightmare that was the morning of 9/11. i've been listening to "Imagine" a lot, late at night, loud, over and over.
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 November 2016 05:32 (seven years ago) link