Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

They usually take a break for Thanksgiving.

Local protests on election day are going to be cold.

Of the many striking thing I've seen in the last couple of days since the election, the most striking to me has been photos of Donald Trump looking truly miserable and slightly scared as he visits the White House and Capitol and it sinks in on him what he's in for. It's hard right now to say which might be worse: a strong but ignorant Trump steering us to disaster, or a weak and disheartened Trump being fought over by the craftier and nastier power-seekers who'll mob around him.

Since I can't decide what road to hell we're taking, I guess I won't try to suss out the future. I'll just try to organize effective opposition to whatever crap starts flowing out of DC.

i am willing to believe that stupid ppl may not think DT is racist

it's my Pollyanna side

LBI otm fuck these people. including my family members.

this fucking bullshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAkCm1WgAA7C6n.jpg

xp - I agree with you Morbz.

doesn't make them non-racist

Is it correct that during Trumps election campaign he largely avoided answering questions from the press? That's going to change now right?

I mean, all of American history is less-racist-to-varying-degrees people accommodating racist white people--no word "slavery" in the Constitution, just as a for instance, and consolidating white economic security at the expense of nonwhite actual security and human dignity. Why not just start calling it what it is?

I have done/said racist things in my life.

I do not believe I am a racist.

Action(s) and quintessence are not nec the same thing.

Are the POC who voted for Trump racists?

... of course POC can be racist wtd

wtf

They're fucking assholes

#notallAmericanhistory

Is voting against the social and economic security of most PoC inherently racist?

I mean the word racist means something! Words mean things!

words mean different things to different people!

It doesnt matter if there were some lost sheep in the clown coalition. Racism was a major part of the movement, a major reason it was popular. It's the only thing that makes this phenomenon intelligible.

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on. He was a vehicle for white revenge by and large.

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on.

they wanted to believe! not saying that race wasn't a factor, but it wasn't the only one, if you're talking about everyone who supported him.

supporting someone promoting an explicitly racist ideology means one of two things: 1) you agree with that ideology, or 2) you do not find that ideology grounds for rejection. Both = being cool w racism.

racism-friendly

and the next time I see my Jewish (!) relatives that voted for him I am going to give them a ton of shit. "first they came for" etc.

everyone who voted for trump should be called a racist forever. by everyone who didn't vote for trump.

"have you met my cousin cathy? she's a racist and a dental hygienist. cathy, this is bob."

of course POC can be racist wtd

against themselves?

that wasn't what you asked initially and is a more complicated question

i thought it was inherent, my apologies

I grew up in a conservative town with a large Latino population, during the Gulf War, a lot of the guys were as crassly "kill the towelheads" as their white counterparts.

http://i.imgur.com/XcpPVsj.png

speaking of promoting extremist ideologies

From a high-school teacher (quoted in http://jezebel.com/what-do-i-say-stories-from-the-classroom-after-electi-1788781296):

My struggle is this: I have been taught and fully embrace that my job is to make a safe space for kids to share their viewpoints. Whether or not I agree is so unimportant that I don’t even take it into consideration. However, a long time ago, this election became no longer a political choice but a moral one. Everyone who voted for Trump is not racist, but everyone who voted for Trump had to decide that racism was not a dealbreaker.

Whether "deciding that racism was not a dealbreaker" is itself equivalent to "racism" is a semantic debate. Either way, though, there is no moral out.

secondhand story from L.A.: a friend of ours whose housekeeper is here on a work visa and lives in south L.A., who woke up to find that a dump truck-sized amount of trash had been deposited in the middle of the street outside their house and "TRUMP" had been scrawled on many of the bags.

she is here from Mexico and trying to earn money and earn residency and would like to get her college degree, she arrived that morning in tears and terror.

well yeah duh POC are not a monolithic cohort

xps

The one (maybe literally) Muslim woman who wrote a WaPo oped about voting for him said it boiled down to his stance on Islamic extremism, iirc. She didn't think the current gov or Clinton was taking it seriously enough. Don't know if that is racist or self-defeating, necessarily, though of course I'd love to hear her thoughts on the matter if she's forced to register or be rounded up in pursuit of the agenda she supported.

I mean, Morbz, how long have you lived in NYC? You have never experienced one PoC expressing racist sentiments?

yes, and i've seen Spike Lee films. I was asking if a POC voting for Trump is being racist toward blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc.

btw the "sausage making" of 'ho-hum, just politics' strategies in memos such as the one above always make me want to projectile-vomit

and if this is true, i suggest shooting the B/H/C trio into space as founders of our Mars colony:

https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/797145182642831361

I was asking if a POC voting for Trump is being racist toward blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc.

based on the definition of racist other posters are using, then yes.

kinda sad that in his litany of racist shit I can't recall if he ever really said anything explicitly racist about Asians (beyond blanket condemnations of China, which is not really the same thing)

@tinyrevolution
Saul Alinsky, the Lucifer-worshipper who turned both Clinton & Obama into demons, predicted our current reality in 1971:

https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/793904566651604993

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs

LBI otm and shakey otm. This continent was developed and this country was built on genocide and the free labor of enslaved people. Tuesday was the flowering of a 240-year-old seed. 50 million racists? psssh, don't sell America short

Whether "deciding that racism was not a dealbreaker" is itself equivalent to "racism" is a semantic debate. Either way, though, there is no moral out.

― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc)

thank you jaymc

I don't think they would agree on your definition of "morality" ... this is really a pointless argument, except for catharsis. I'm all for catharsis, I guess. It isn't really a discussion about what people who voted for Trump believe or wanted to believe, but what we believe about them from our moral/ethical standpoint. That's fine. They aren't posting here.

Newsnight had a special on earlier about Trump being President/Immediate aftermath of the election etc.
& managed to have somebody in on their panel who was denying that Trump had said anything racist. Which does make me wonder about how people are defining things possibly including 'saying' and 'racist'.

Also had locals in Terre Haute talking about how Trump said the same things that they said among themselves at home which is one reason why they liked him. Just brings home how normalising having a president who acts like him may be for questionable thought processes.

http://peterlevine.ws/?p=17674

http://peterlevine.ws/images/Screen-Shot-2016-11-11-at-1.19.30-PM.png

yes

what a way to go out

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-approve-dakota-access-pipeline-231255

shit

ughhh