Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

we *should* march on Washington

in addition to "bigly," i wonder if we could stop throwing around these "racist" and "fascist" bombs as often as we do, particularly as applied to whole swaths of the population we don't know very well, and whose votes we need.

― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, November 11, 2016 7:16 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark

I'm getting rather tired of this. Not directed at you, but I keep hearing the same argument: "those 50m trump voters can't all be racist right?" Why not? Why can't 50 million people be racist? They voted for a racist! Trump doesn't even hide his racism, he boasts about it. Death penalty for five black men, saying he'll only let a Jew count his money, wanting to ban Muslims only because they are Muslims...

He ís a racist. And all the millions who voted for him are too. There is nothing "impossible" about that. Yes, they can be nice people, they can be your mother or best friend or yr fave sports star. So what? That doesn't make someone nót racist. Voting for a racist makes you a racist, too. An enabler at the very least.

I see a lot of people on the left saying "we should listen to these people's concerns, they can't be all racist", terrified that calling someone who is a racist a racist will backfire. Listen to their concerns we should, but no concerns make it ok to support a racist. If anything the election of notable and proud racist Trump should teach left ánd right that there are a hell of a lot more white racists then they thought there were.

(Scratch 'white' from 'white racists')

Trump's rise was fueled by a guy who told people he saw genetically-modified fish people being kept in tubes in a secret government lab, and then cried on air about it. Like what the fuck? It's disturbing how this is being treated as normal, like we should all just go along with it like this is an acceptable course of things. This is still so insane to me.

Re: protests -- I'm less concerned about public perception of civil unrest, and more concerned that cops or military troops will be overly violent in suppressing the standard issue Oakland protest (break a few windows around 8, set a dumpster on fire around 9-ish, occupy the freeway on ramp around 10-ish, go home around midnight) and things will get ugly.

I work near the main assembly point for the protests, and was told to leave work early yesterday.

90 days to go.

This is still so insane to me.

They usually take a break for Thanksgiving.

Local protests on election day are going to be cold.

Of the many striking thing I've seen in the last couple of days since the election, the most striking to me has been photos of Donald Trump looking truly miserable and slightly scared as he visits the White House and Capitol and it sinks in on him what he's in for. It's hard right now to say which might be worse: a strong but ignorant Trump steering us to disaster, or a weak and disheartened Trump being fought over by the craftier and nastier power-seekers who'll mob around him.

Since I can't decide what road to hell we're taking, I guess I won't try to suss out the future. I'll just try to organize effective opposition to whatever crap starts flowing out of DC.

i am willing to believe that stupid ppl may not think DT is racist

it's my Pollyanna side

LBI otm fuck these people. including my family members.

this fucking bullshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAkCm1WgAA7C6n.jpg

xp - I agree with you Morbz.

doesn't make them non-racist

Is it correct that during Trumps election campaign he largely avoided answering questions from the press? That's going to change now right?

I mean, all of American history is less-racist-to-varying-degrees people accommodating racist white people--no word "slavery" in the Constitution, just as a for instance, and consolidating white economic security at the expense of nonwhite actual security and human dignity. Why not just start calling it what it is?

I have done/said racist things in my life.

I do not believe I am a racist.

Action(s) and quintessence are not nec the same thing.

Are the POC who voted for Trump racists?

... of course POC can be racist wtd

wtf

They're fucking assholes

#notallAmericanhistory

Is voting against the social and economic security of most PoC inherently racist?

I mean the word racist means something! Words mean things!

words mean different things to different people!

It doesnt matter if there were some lost sheep in the clown coalition. Racism was a major part of the movement, a major reason it was popular. It's the only thing that makes this phenomenon intelligible.

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on. He was a vehicle for white revenge by and large.

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on.

they wanted to believe! not saying that race wasn't a factor, but it wasn't the only one, if you're talking about everyone who supported him.

supporting someone promoting an explicitly racist ideology means one of two things: 1) you agree with that ideology, or 2) you do not find that ideology grounds for rejection. Both = being cool w racism.

racism-friendly

and the next time I see my Jewish (!) relatives that voted for him I am going to give them a ton of shit. "first they came for" etc.

everyone who voted for trump should be called a racist forever. by everyone who didn't vote for trump.

"have you met my cousin cathy? she's a racist and a dental hygienist. cathy, this is bob."

of course POC can be racist wtd

against themselves?

that wasn't what you asked initially and is a more complicated question

i thought it was inherent, my apologies

I grew up in a conservative town with a large Latino population, during the Gulf War, a lot of the guys were as crassly "kill the towelheads" as their white counterparts.

http://i.imgur.com/XcpPVsj.png

speaking of promoting extremist ideologies

From a high-school teacher (quoted in http://jezebel.com/what-do-i-say-stories-from-the-classroom-after-electi-1788781296):

My struggle is this: I have been taught and fully embrace that my job is to make a safe space for kids to share their viewpoints. Whether or not I agree is so unimportant that I don’t even take it into consideration. However, a long time ago, this election became no longer a political choice but a moral one. Everyone who voted for Trump is not racist, but everyone who voted for Trump had to decide that racism was not a dealbreaker.

Whether "deciding that racism was not a dealbreaker" is itself equivalent to "racism" is a semantic debate. Either way, though, there is no moral out.

secondhand story from L.A.: a friend of ours whose housekeeper is here on a work visa and lives in south L.A., who woke up to find that a dump truck-sized amount of trash had been deposited in the middle of the street outside their house and "TRUMP" had been scrawled on many of the bags.

she is here from Mexico and trying to earn money and earn residency and would like to get her college degree, she arrived that morning in tears and terror.

well yeah duh POC are not a monolithic cohort

xps

The one (maybe literally) Muslim woman who wrote a WaPo oped about voting for him said it boiled down to his stance on Islamic extremism, iirc. She didn't think the current gov or Clinton was taking it seriously enough. Don't know if that is racist or self-defeating, necessarily, though of course I'd love to hear her thoughts on the matter if she's forced to register or be rounded up in pursuit of the agenda she supported.

I mean, Morbz, how long have you lived in NYC? You have never experienced one PoC expressing racist sentiments?

yes, and i've seen Spike Lee films. I was asking if a POC voting for Trump is being racist toward blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc.

btw the "sausage making" of 'ho-hum, just politics' strategies in memos such as the one above always make me want to projectile-vomit

and if this is true, i suggest shooting the B/H/C trio into space as founders of our Mars colony:

https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/797145182642831361

I was asking if a POC voting for Trump is being racist toward blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims etc.

based on the definition of racist other posters are using, then yes.

kinda sad that in his litany of racist shit I can't recall if he ever really said anything explicitly racist about Asians (beyond blanket condemnations of China, which is not really the same thing)

@tinyrevolution
Saul Alinsky, the Lucifer-worshipper who turned both Clinton & Obama into demons, predicted our current reality in 1971:

https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/793904566651604993

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs

LBI otm and shakey otm. This continent was developed and this country was built on genocide and the free labor of enslaved people. Tuesday was the flowering of a 240-year-old seed. 50 million racists? psssh, don't sell America short

Whether "deciding that racism was not a dealbreaker" is itself equivalent to "racism" is a semantic debate. Either way, though, there is no moral out.

― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc)

thank you jaymc