Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

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Howard Dean is good people and his 50 state strategy was otm

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, if all the DNC Chair possibilities are people like Dean and Ellison I won't be mad

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link

Howard Dean is now a lobbyist shit; eff him

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link

Dean has lobbied for grotesque shit, as most lobbyists do, but I have immense respect for the 50-state strategy and how he forced Dems to think past the enclaves (this sense of entrapment is what I most remember from December 2004-Januarly 2005). He's also much smarter on TV than he let on in 2003.

But I'll take the black congressmen from Milwaukee.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link

ha -- I was gonna hyperlink that Thinkprogress story

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

this sentence makes no sense.

what is the counter to low information voters - high information voters? people that pay thorough attention to constant polling? the media and the left just did this obsessively for 6 months and got caught w their pants down. Clinton ditched out of the rest belt cos all that great high information told them they didn't need it.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

rust belt

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

"America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide."

http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-america/#.WCUbk-3V-Md.facebook

scott seward, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

you guys looked like you needed some cheering up.

scott seward, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link

opinion polls are not the type of information we were referring to. At least, I wasn't.

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link

No, that's generally not what *anyone* is referring to with that phrase

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

Pence taking over transition team from Christie

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

All the autopsies seem to reveal to me is that Dems should have run an obnoxious asshole that would get through some very thick skulls.

Distribution of all possible outcomes (Sanpaku), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

I think we all need some smelling salts to wake up from the world we've been living in the past decade or so. Trump is president. That still hasn't sunk in for me yet. Clearly the established way of doing things isn't working out too well. It's over, pack it up, the game has changed.

larry appleton, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

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In solidarity, Your friends at the SPLC

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link

I think 'people planning on Trump being more liberal than Obama' is what most people mean by low-information voter.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link

good example, troo

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

In 2012, after Obama was elected to a second term, Trump tweeted: “We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!”

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link

we *should* march on Washington

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

in addition to "bigly," i wonder if we could stop throwing around these "racist" and "fascist" bombs as often as we do, particularly as applied to whole swaths of the population we don't know very well, and whose votes we need.

― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, November 11, 2016 7:16 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark

I'm getting rather tired of this. Not directed at you, but I keep hearing the same argument: "those 50m trump voters can't all be racist right?" Why not? Why can't 50 million people be racist? They voted for a racist! Trump doesn't even hide his racism, he boasts about it. Death penalty for five black men, saying he'll only let a Jew count his money, wanting to ban Muslims only because they are Muslims...

He ís a racist. And all the millions who voted for him are too. There is nothing "impossible" about that. Yes, they can be nice people, they can be your mother or best friend or yr fave sports star. So what? That doesn't make someone nót racist. Voting for a racist makes you a racist, too. An enabler at the very least.

I see a lot of people on the left saying "we should listen to these people's concerns, they can't be all racist", terrified that calling someone who is a racist a racist will backfire. Listen to their concerns we should, but no concerns make it ok to support a racist. If anything the election of notable and proud racist Trump should teach left ánd right that there are a hell of a lot more white racists then they thought there were.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link

(Scratch 'white' from 'white racists')

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link

Trump's rise was fueled by a guy who told people he saw genetically-modified fish people being kept in tubes in a secret government lab, and then cried on air about it. Like what the fuck? It's disturbing how this is being treated as normal, like we should all just go along with it like this is an acceptable course of things. This is still so insane to me.

larry appleton, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link

Re: protests -- I'm less concerned about public perception of civil unrest, and more concerned that cops or military troops will be overly violent in suppressing the standard issue Oakland protest (break a few windows around 8, set a dumpster on fire around 9-ish, occupy the freeway on ramp around 10-ish, go home around midnight) and things will get ugly.

I work near the main assembly point for the protests, and was told to leave work early yesterday.

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link

90 days to go.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link

This is still so insane to me.

the goal is to stay angry and never let this normalize. it's not okay! it's not normal! refusal to accept this as acceptable does not equal sticking your head in the sand; it is, i hope, a motivator to demand the unreasonable not be allowed.

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

They usually take a break for Thanksgiving.

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Local protests on election day are going to be cold.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link

Of the many striking thing I've seen in the last couple of days since the election, the most striking to me has been photos of Donald Trump looking truly miserable and slightly scared as he visits the White House and Capitol and it sinks in on him what he's in for. It's hard right now to say which might be worse: a strong but ignorant Trump steering us to disaster, or a weak and disheartened Trump being fought over by the craftier and nastier power-seekers who'll mob around him.

Since I can't decide what road to hell we're taking, I guess I won't try to suss out the future. I'll just try to organize effective opposition to whatever crap starts flowing out of DC.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link

i am willing to believe that stupid ppl may not think DT is racist

it's my Pollyanna side

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link

LBI otm fuck these people. including my family members.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

this fucking bullshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAkCm1WgAA7C6n.jpg

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

xp - I agree with you Morbz.

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

doesn't make them non-racist

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link

Is it correct that during Trumps election campaign he largely avoided answering questions from the press? That's going to change now right?

badg, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link

I mean, all of American history is less-racist-to-varying-degrees people accommodating racist white people--no word "slavery" in the Constitution, just as a for instance, and consolidating white economic security at the expense of nonwhite actual security and human dignity. Why not just start calling it what it is?

horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link

I have done/said racist things in my life.

I do not believe I am a racist.

Action(s) and quintessence are not nec the same thing.

Are the POC who voted for Trump racists?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link

... of course POC can be racist wtd

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link

wtf

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link

They're fucking assholes

horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link

#notallAmericanhistory

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link

Is voting against the social and economic security of most PoC inherently racist?

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link

I mean the word racist means something! Words mean things!

horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link

words mean different things to different people!

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link

It doesnt matter if there were some lost sheep in the clown coalition. Racism was a major part of the movement, a major reason it was popular. It's the only thing that makes this phenomenon intelligible.

Treeship, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on. He was a vehicle for white revenge by and large.

Treeship, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on.

they wanted to believe! not saying that race wasn't a factor, but it wasn't the only one, if you're talking about everyone who supported him.

sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link

supporting someone promoting an explicitly racist ideology means one of two things: 1) you agree with that ideology, or 2) you do not find that ideology grounds for rejection. Both = being cool w racism.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link

racism-friendly

scott seward, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link

and the next time I see my Jewish (!) relatives that voted for him I am going to give them a ton of shit. "first they came for" etc.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link


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