Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

All right. Deep breath.

I made a blog. I put a bunch of the stuff I've written over the past few days on it.

I'm terrified.

http://rebuildingeverything.blogspot.com/

attaboy

Just linked, rushomancy

yeah. I remember Reagan winning in 1984, and I think that might have been my strongest early memory of feeling like people were delusional and stupid and evil. I remember my best friend (this was 4th grade) saying she liked Reagan because he was so fond of jelly beans.

― sarahell,

whereas we can't even say what Hillary was fond of -- the NYT crossword?

it's because he's smart enough to dumb down his rhetoric to catchy slogans and use them endlessly xxp

― global tetrahedron, Friday, November 11, 2016

this is it -- precisely it

in addition to "bigly," i wonder if we could stop throwing around these "racist" and "fascist" bombs as often as we do, particularly as applied to whole swaths of the population we don't know very well, and whose votes we need.

not sure this concession is warranted or appropriate at this time, perhaps this perception is simply a failing of mine

HuffPo discontinuing, removing Editors' Note from Trump stories about his history of racism and xenophobia:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/11/the-huffington-post-ending-its-editors-note-about-donald-trump-231044

THE LIBERAL MEDIA

wtf

The cute dude who didn't return my OKCupid text? I called him a fascist a month ago. That's when I knew I abused the word.

in addition to "bigly," i wonder if we could stop throwing around these "racist" and "fascist" bombs as often as we do, particularly as applied to whole swaths of the population we don't know very well, and whose votes we need.

― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, November 11, 2016 7:16 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think we should ignore the fascist and racist tendencies of people who voted for trump, or the tendencies of people to just not care about that issue as long as they aren't the ones affected. but obviously their votes are important and need to be won over with something, particularly since they have these tendencies of fascism and apathy.

bernie sanders has a weird pull among low-information voters. my mom, a moderate democrat who for reasons i can't quite discern dislikes hillary (the trust issues and "too liberal", she told me last christmas or so)

yeah, I have an unfortunately large number of "low-information" friends that were all about Bernie. Had never seen them enthusiastically support any other political candidate before. My mom is a bit like your mom, though she voted for Hillary anyway. My mom believed a lot of the Clinton conspiracies/issues from when Bill was president.

attaboy

Just linked, rushomancy

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

thanks

i'm going to take a little break until i stop shaking again :)

whereas we can't even say what Hillary was fond of -- the NYT crossword?

bourbon

Good news for us this side of the Atlantic is that we are already starting to see fewer obnoxious Republican wankers infesting our TV screens.

... back to our homegrown Tory wankers.

also given that Clinton won the popular vote and roughly half the population stayed home, i struggle with the notion that courting the votes of racist misogynists is necessary or even worth the moral compromise required but again im still boiling and keeping this shit largely to myself outside this space

come January you will see a lot more of them! They will meet with your elected officials, shake hands with the royal family ... sorry Britain.

So, what if the things that need to be done to "win over" the votes of people who have racist/fascist tendencies (or, you know, are racist or fascist), or are willing to ignore them, aren't worth doing? What if they're *bad things*?

yeah some of these arguments about meeting the 'other' halfway makes it seem like trump won a resounding victory. dude barely fucking won and half the population didn't vote.

the goal should be to make more voters who are not racists/fascists/etc.

also we should stop generalizing about half the population of the country. that's a lot of people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/

NY, morbs

well they didn't count her vote (not that it mattered, Clinton winning the state by 22 points). There were 32 sanctioned write-in candidates in NY. All other prez ballots w/ unapproved choices were disregarded.

Are you really going to do this?

xp

also we should stop generalizing about half the population of the country.

"Half the people who voted in the 2016 election" is not "half the population of the country." This shouldn't even be necessary to point out, but here we are.

well there's that. half the people who voted i mean. same diff.

that is not same diff

also given that Clinton won the popular vote and roughly half the population stayed home, i struggle with the notion that courting the votes of racist misogynists is necessary or even worth the moral compromise required but again im still boiling and keeping this shit largely to myself outside this space

― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, November 11, 2016 7:27 PM (two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was thinking about this too, but then i remembered brexit. there's a world-wide far right movement going on, not just in the US. so it's hard to say whether or not it was just Clinton being terrible as a candidate, or if there's been a significant change in how things work, making it hard to use older examples to fill in the blanks. nearly all of the candidates of one of our major parties had far-right leanings, and Trump was the most radical of them. and he won the primary. so that right there already shoots the odds way up of having one of these far-right guys as president. then among the Democrats your best choices were Clinton and Sanders, and Sanders didn't even win the primary.

Joe Biden? But it's like, all of this radical far-right shit that helped get Trump elected has been bubbling and foaming for years now. I watched how it went from a little blip to growing to this wide-spread movement that helped win the presidency. i don't think ignoring what's going on here is a good idea, because the US isn't the only place this is happening.

haven't there been studies finding that people who don't vote roughly have the same opinions (proportionally) as ppl who do?

Biden could've been hit over his history of being a credit-card-co Muppet?

That was so long ago it might not have mattered; all people know is the smiling vice president

This is not an endorsement of the former senator from MBNA

probably the only thing that can be said for sure in favor of a different candidate, when evaluating this election in hindsight, is that none of the other potential democratic candidates were the subject of two decades of smear by the right and that perhaps this would have improved their chances

well there's that. half the people who voted i mean. same diff.

Given that the Democrats' vote turnout went down by a shit-ton this year I'm not taking that as a given.

here's an alternative version of "Bernie dumbs it down" and low-information voter stuff - he offered up a vision that centered around economic justice but was also completely and utterly supportive of social justice.

If you're still intent on making fun of that, I don't know what to say. Veiled accusations of racism against him or the people who supported him is NAGL.

I don't think anyone is criticizing Bernie for appealing to low-information voters. He had an attractive vision and he/his campaign communicated it well to people.

hope it was clear i wasn't dissing any bernie voters or bernie himself obviously -- i think he was a great candidate on the merits -- i was just pointing out that in this world we live in where people don't pay attention to politics and vote anyway, being a genuinely nice guy who appeals to those types of voters is a nice bonus

The hits continue as Trump a) moves Chris Christie off the transition team to turn it over to Mike Pence, and b) names his three oldest children -- who he earlier said would run his businesses to keep them separate from the government duties -- to the transition team.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/chris-christies-unending-humiliations-continue-as-trump-1788873400

pence obviously moving fast to consolidate his cabal

Eric Levitz, nymag:

No one has ever used the words 'soul of the Democratic Party' and 'Chuck Schumer' in the same sentence....

27 percent of white voters who backed Trump hope he will pursue “more liberal” policies than Barack Obama did, according to exit polls.

So, there doesn’t seem to be much basis for the idea that Democrats can find political salvation by moving right on fiscal policy. But clearly, they’ve isolated themselves from the silent majority on immigration, right?

Wrong, per CBS News:

Exit poll voters were asked whether most illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should be offered a chance to apply for legal status or deported to the country they came from. Fully 7 of 10 voters said they should be allowed to apply for legal status … Among those who favored giving illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status, one in three voted for Trump.
Trump also won 35 percent of voters who believe “international trade creates jobs.”

In the face of these befuddling facts, the only people in the Democratic Party with a coherent narrative of how to move forward — and a national base of support — are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/is-bernie-sanders-now-the-leader-of-the-democratic-party.html

No success like failure, and failure is no success at all.

just want to lol at "low information voters" for a minute. as if a million echoing polls told us anything or gave us any valuable info besides "She'll win!".

buddy i described my own mother as a "low-information voter". it wasn't meant pejoratively

hope it was clear i wasn't dissing any bernie voters or bernie himself obviously -- i think he was a great candidate on the merits -- i was just pointing out that in this world we live in where people don't pay attention to politics and vote anyway, being a genuinely nice guy who appeals to those types of voters is a nice bonus

― k3vin k., Friday, November 11, 2016 7:47 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally. yet he didn't win the primary. Sanders didn't get a fair shake by the establishment because they don't give a fuck what these people want, so did nothing to accommodate them. for a while the NYT was giving better coverage to Trump than Sanders, then hoots and hollers that their hated establishment candidate didn't win. the type of alternative that would appeal to more people was squashed by the powers that be, while shoving Hillary in our faces.

it's easy to forget how pissed off people have been for years with how things are going, and how totally disconnected they feel from power over their own fate and lives, because they're being governed by people who don't give a crap about them and try to tell them how they should vote and live, because they aren't listening anyway. i remember how people were like "yup" when a Princeton study came out showing average voters had a 0% impact on the laws passed in Congress. all that news of pharmaceutical price gouging, and the lack of repercussions for that, people remember that shit, it becomes part of their worldview that they're being taken advantage of and there's nothing they can do about it. i wonder if cuck's an insult to the far-right because lots of people feel humiliated and powerless under this, and since the social contract has been broken, there's no reason to hold back socially taboo things like racism anymore.

Howrd Dean throwing his hat in the ring for DNC chair again. I know there are some who dislike him; but he did some good stuff as DNC chair last time.

just want to lol at "low information voters" for a minute. as if a million echoing polls told us anything or gave us any valuable info besides "She'll win!".

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, November 11, 2016 11:58 AM (eleven minutes ago)

this sentence makes no sense.

christie finally got his letter from the FBI telling him he's a suspect in bridgegate?

Howard Dean is good people and his 50 state strategy was otm

Yeah, if all the DNC Chair possibilities are people like Dean and Ellison I won't be mad

Howard Dean is now a lobbyist shit; eff him

https://thinkprogress.org/giuliani-dean-paid-to-advocate-for-terrorist-group-9c316a06c50#.qdj2ra5dk

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/