Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

OK, so even as president elect he is tweeting umbrage? The fuck does he care, he won. Man, four years, two years, one year, two months ... who knew Trump would destroy time, too.

i feel like this all happened because from day #1 of obama's first term the GOP leadership decided to obstruct him and stop the government from functioning no matter what. i can see how it resonates in middle america to look at the struggling economy there and poor infrastructure and wages being flat & saying we need change. if only obama had been able to get a big infrastructure and jobs bill done

― FREE BRADY (daria-g), Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:16 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea this feels right to me

instinctive "oh for fuck's sake" when I read that tweet

Wouldn't professional protesters be hired rather than incited?

that tweet, jesus

So the tax plan is going to slash revenues by epic numbers - will he follow along with the GOP austerity standards which means zero job growth and no infrastructure projects or does he buck them and push for Huey Long-populism where we just run enormous deficits to fund projects for the Rust Belt he needed?

this is going to be very bad

@tripgabriel
Interviewing Trump voters in Erie, Pa., many don't much like him, voted reluctantly, suggesting he won't get much slack if he can't deliver

It's weird because there was lots of stuff written about how voters found Hillary was "unlikeable", similar to all the articles in 2000 and 2004 about how ppl found Gore and Kerry cold and disatant, and they would "rather share a beer" or whatever with Bush, and I can see that Bush had this laid back frat-boy charm that would appeal to some people. But with Trump, I kind of get impression that *most* of his voters don't "like" him, he's more like an avatar of their ugliest, most shameful feelings. I can't imagine that even his most enthusiastic supporters think that hanging out with Trump would be anything other than unbearable, but I don't think it's necessarily the case that Trump voters may stop supporting him because they don't "like" him as Gabriel suggests, that's not the level he appeals to ppl on.

So the tax plan is going to slash revenues by epic numbers - will he follow along with the GOP austerity standards which means zero job growth and no infrastructure projects or does he buck them and push for Huey Long-populism where we just run enormous deficits to fund projects for the Rust Belt he needed?

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:53 PM (seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he won't do shit, GOP is just going to run with this, they have the strucutral advantages to keep congress for a long time

god i am so depressed right now you guys

this morning i woke up from a better sleep and the sun was out today (yesterday it was dark and gloomy as fuck in cleveland) and i had some better moments but ultimately i am just so scared and depressed and angry about this

His margin was too thin to not offer anything to the [racist/economically anxious/other as you prefer] white working class that turned out for him, if it's a standard GOP budget they won't come out again.

gop doesn't give a fuck about vote margins or approval ratings though. you see the glee in paul ryan right now? these guys just view this as their ticket, they weren't expecting it but here it is and they know it

ahhh idk i just so little faith right now

That's how they feel but Trump is desperate for approval and will be second for another term - he might just want to be a figurehead but if that starts to hurt his numbers or threaten his next time around he's still the damn President.

between this and a couple things in my life this is by far the worst week i've had in about 8 years

@tripgabriel
Interviewing Trump voters in Erie, Pa., many don't much like him, voted reluctantly, suggesting he won't get much slack if he can't deliver

a trump voter who saw me & canvassing partner out knocking on doors for hillary in a small pennsylvania city literally yelled at us (in a friendly way!), "good luck with that, it's too bad i have to vote for the guy who's mentally retarded"

i am not even joking. we had to take a moment to unpack because 1) why do you *have* to vote for him?! 2) casual slur against the disabled (i suppose this means he's not 'politically correct') 3) the guy was trying to be nice!

wow, that is something

Sad!

this is sickening

Not really tbh. He lived a full live and left it with highs most artist would be envious of.

between this and a couple things in my life this is by far the worst week i've had in about 8 years

― call all destroyer

:-(

one upshot of all this is that even though his cabinet is going to be filled with people who suck like Newt Gingrich, he's going to be constantly firing and replacing them

reflecting on it more it also makes me wonder how the campaign team could have done better to realize what was happening in the field.. i'm really new at this so i don't know how the whole operation works other years, but in early fall at least when you're still trying to gauge where the voters are at & ask them to commit to vote..

the list of doors to knock should be all democrats but anyplace besides philadelphia it was always coming up with a not insignificant number of "we won't say" (which probably means trump?) or straight up "we're for trump"

i assumed this was normal but i didn't have other years to measure response against. i wonder how many of us sounded alarms about this kind of thing on tally sheets because it really wasn't emphasized to note it down in training

Government Apprentice, coming to CSPAN

xp daria I found this interesting and possibly related to yr door-to-door experience, have not seen it yet - the Clinton campaign's reliance on a data simulator named ADA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/09/clintons-data-driven-campaign-relied-heavily-on-an-algorithm-named-ada-what-didnt-she-see/

(I mean, have not seen this mentioned in the election threads so far on ILX)

Not really tbh. He lived a full live and left it with highs most artist would be envious of.
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― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2016 03:21 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RIP Donald Trump :(

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/796900183955095552

― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:38 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648

Guessing at Trump having a slightly elevated heart rate and somewhat high blood pressure along with age and BMI, it still only looks like he has a 3% of chance of dying of congestive heart failure in the next four years

this guy is a fucking con artist and thug

obama is trying to reassure people for the sake of the country and is biting his tongue. we should not. no matter what he does in office -- if it turns out he compromises or whatever which seems unlikely -- it doesn't matter. he has already put our country through hell with his racist campaign and no one should forget it.

yeah i read that article about the Ada data machine

i don't think you can pin this on any one factor but one thing that tracks with my experience when we were still going after persuadable voters (as opposed to later on GOTV canvassing) was the people who refused to say who they were voting for. how do you handle that in polling? how do you put that into your data model? this is where i feel like there really is a need to be more engaged with these folks because if you are a member of the community and people trust you then maybe you'll actually know who they're voting for and what is happening and be able to persuade them otherwise. intuitively it felt like a cultural thing to me, older white people from rust belt cities/towns who refused to tell you what they thought or who they were voting for, because they didn't know you. i grew up around these people. they voted for trump

I may play the banjo, but I'm a Mexican-American. I have no fuckin' idea what I should feel. It's so weird when you realize just how many people hate people who's skin color is the same as mine. I don't feel safe anymore and every white person is now under suspicion in my mind, which is horribly unfair and which I hate. But the worst thing is knowing that there's a part of me that does feel inferior to white people (I'm 61 years old; there was nothing cool about being Mexican when I was growing up) and that now a small part of me will "know" that I am low-class and worthless always. Right now, I want to pull the blankets over my head and sleep forever. I thought I was done with most of this shit, but apparently I'm not. I'm old and I'm tired and now I'm not good enough to live in my own country.

So is trump going to keep blaming the media for his entire presidency?

unless the Breitbart guy has a better idea

I would stand beside you banjo

banjoboy please post more

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=0

you're better than at least half the people who vote in this country, that's for sure, banjoboy. you're not worthless, and you have every right to be suspicious of white people.

xp no i was told that his russian connections were just liberal conspiracy theories

i have light skin and i feel tremendous shame about it right now even i don't personally identify in any way w/ "white culture" but it doesn't matter i'm horrified by the way i look.

i don't know what it would look like but i feel like i need some kind of kip thread to help get through all this (not just the above which i think is minor compared to a lot of the other stuff i and others are going thru) and it sounds maybe like some other posters could use one too. like i said i'm not sure exactly what it would be? maybe the solution is i just need a break from thinking about politics for a bit bc i know this isn't healthy bc i don't feel healthy i feel sick and constantly frightened and no matter what is reasonable to expect it would be nice to reduce some of the self-inflicted suffering right now. sorry i don't really have any recommendation really i guess. maybe like i remember we made that thread for looking at pictures of trees instead of clusterfucks? what do ppl think about some kind of thread for pictures + video of like natural world stuff - volcanos and exotic animals and beautiful places on earth and maybe beautiful traditions and ppl and communities. ugh i feel so stupid writing this but i'm going to post it anyway bc even tho i think my idea is dumb maybe someone has a better one? i have a pint of ben + jerrys in the freezer and i'm 99% sure that it isn't going to make me feel better.

you know what's awesome for a half hour or so is image searching "manul"

i also feel shame walking around (having no job, i've actively avoided it since nov 8 other than walking my dog). i want to wear a "trump is a terrible racist" shirt and somehow exempt myself from association with the vast majority of white people. but as much as i feel that, i know that my anger and shame are not and cannot be on the same level as the real fear that a lot of people of color are feeling. like what banjoboy said, just a few posts up. that's so heartbreaking to read. i can't imagine living it. it makes me so sad and angry.

I have to believe Trump will speak out against this hatred and violence his supports are spreading. I know it might seem like wishful thinking, but if the man has any shred of decency in his bones, he has to. The tweet posted above doesn't give me hope but as things get worse and I fear they will, please I have to think he will.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/and-here-we-go--9

Paul Ryan just announced that as part of repealing Obamacare he plans to phase out Medicare and replace it with private insurance for retirees.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html

i don't know what it would look like but i feel like i need some kind of kip thread to help get through all this (not just the above which i think is minor compared to a lot of the other stuff i and others are going thru) and it sounds maybe like some other posters could use one too.

Mordy in all seriousness I was thinking that we need a "safe space" thread where people can just freak out and connect and get reassured, leaving the politics talk to this thread and the other ones running.

https://medium.com/@Brocktoon/lexington-c1825d25442e#.qsa7gluua

I live in Trump country currently. Yesterday morning I was walking down the street and I wanted to get my head inside my best approximation of a Trump supporter I could come up with. I imagined the world where the "right order" was restored with white Christian straight men on top, and people of color, Muslims, immigrants, Jewish people, and women lower, in their right place, no longer ascendant under Obama and the SJWs.

It felt ... good in a way, powerful. "This is our world again." No longer have to deal with people who are different because they're firmly in their place again and we've got a "mandate" to keep them their. Comfortable. Peaceful. I got it out of my mind quickly because it just felt evil, like drinking poison. I watched some vines on Twitter of black kids goofing around and it made me miserable to think about what they're going to have to deal with under Trump. That's not the way I want the world to be.

I also received a fundraising postcard for the law school I went to, and it's parent school is a Jewish university. One of my neighbors (we share a mailbox) is a die-hard Trump supporter and subscribes to some sketchy alt-right shit, and that made me a little nervous to think of this Trump guy assuming I'm Jewish.

My heart goes out to all of you who have to deal with this bullshit for real in day to day life now. I know that's worthless from some random internet weirdo, but I don't know what the hell I can do. I'm definitely not becoming one of these Trump legitimizers, though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-vaunted-gotv-operation-may-have-turned-out-trump-voters_us_582533b1e4b060adb56ddc27?ka603sor

The campaign’s text messaging GOTV effort may have been the worst offender. Volunteers reported as many as 30% of the replies they received from voters they were urging to get out were Trump supporters.

"may have been" is doing a lot of work here without any proof but in general, what was happening in the field wasn't making its way into the data machine. i don't know why - i trusted the process at the time completely, especially because obama 2012 was so successful and david plouffe was consistently reassuring that the structure of the race was unchanged and clinton would win easily