Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

Is there any indication he will even live in the White House?

I've been wondering this too

not entirely opposed to another civil war at this point tbh

christ.

even two terms of Trump couldn't destroy as many American lives and essential infrastructure as a civil war. let's be real here.

Oh God I really don't want to get into some military nerd fantasy football about the logistics of a 2018 American Civil War. Please forgive me.

Well if one side used muskets...

How is he going to handle his business interests while he's in office? Is he legally required to disclose everything now? Are we ever going to find out who he owes money to? Like...how the hell is this going to work?

I would love for the tax returns to come back up and for there to be some reason they're made public

Against his will

the kids are going to run the business. totally separate. big league.

And then he is shocked this happens and chokes to death on the bite he took of a taco bowl

At some point I was saying "at least if Trump wins, we'll finally get to see his tax return". Can't remember why I said that

I'm sorry, but I don't find "It's never been done before" to be a very convincing argument in the light of this year's events.

― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy),

You should visit Appomattox Courthouse sometime

can we poll these

Secretary of Education Ben Carson

Attorney General Pam Bondi

Secretary of Energy Harold Hamm

was hoping to see Carson as Surgeon General w/ epaulets

Don't forget EPA chief Myron Ebell

if you feel like getting your heart ripped out today

http://jezebel.com/what-do-i-say-stories-from-the-classroom-after-electi-1788781296

I had one little boy who was clearly affected, I just talked to him and said, I can tell you’re upset, and he looked at me and said, ‘Well, my mom lives in Mexico’—I think he means she’s from Mexico, she lives here—‘and she says if Donald Trump wins she’s going back to Mexico.’ Which was heartbreaking, because the way he was saying it, it was clear that he was afraid she was going to leave him, which I don’t believe is true, but it’s clearly what’s going on in his head; I had to find a way to talk to him and try and make him feel like it’s going to be okay, whereas in my own mind, I don’t feel like it’s going to be okay, like, I can’t actually make that promise.

Re: Berlusconi upthread. This news piece from 2010.

Exasperated by Berlusconi's pro-Russian behaviour, American embassy staff detail allegations circulating in Rome that the Italian leader has been promised a cut of huge energy contracts. The two men are known to be personally close, but this is the first time allegations of a financial link have surfaced.

Hillary Clinton's state department in Washington sent a special request to the Rome embassy this year, asking for extra intelligence-gathering on the allegations about the men: "What personal investments, if any, do they have that might drive their foreign or economic policies?".

The US ambassador in Rome, Ronald Spogli, first reported the claims in a series of dispatches in 2008-09. He said the prime minister had taken "single-handed" control of Italy's dealings with Moscow, with the over-riding aim of pleasing the Russian leader. Berlusconi acted as a "mouthpiece" for Putin, he reported, supporting him in public when Russia was being criticised.

Perhaps the next time Gazprom squeezes Europe, at least some of the proceeds will be coming to these shores.

Y'all should read this.

A few days after the release of the tape, which was followed by a string of accusations from women saying they had been sexually harassed and assaulted by Trump, I checked back in with Tracie St. Martin to see if she still supported him. She was working on a new gas plant in Middletown, a working-class town near Dayton that was the setting of the recent best-selling memoir “Hillbilly Elegy.” Here’s what she wrote back in a text message: “I still appreciate the honesty in some of his comments. Most of his comments. I still favor what he says he may be able to do. I am voting against Hillary, come what may with Trump. It’s important to me that ‘we the people’ actually have political power. And electing Trump will prove that. I am AMAZED at the number of people voting for him. The corruption is disgusting in the press. Yes, as of right now I am voting FOR Trump.” She was sure he would win, she said: "His support is crazy! The polls have to be wrong. Have to be fixed.”

And she shared an anecdote that reflected how differently Trump’s comments had been received in some places than others. “I’m setting steel for this new gas plant…I’m operating a rough terrain forklift,” she wrote. “So today, I kept thinking about the debate and the audio was released … And I got underneath a load of steel and was moving it…I was laughing and laughing and one of the iron workers asked ‘what are u laughing at.’ I said ‘I grabbed that load right by the pussy’ and laughed some more…And said ‘when you’re an operator you can do that ya know’, laughed all fucking day."

"politicians are corrupt"-->"so let's elect a Prez who's a (failed) NY/NJ real-estate/casino mogul and reality TV star=1/2 this country really too dumb to be allowed to vote.

he literally lives inside a 24k gold room at the top of a tower in manhattan that has his name on it in huge letters

"politicians are corrupt"-->"so let's elect a Prez who's a (failed) NY/NJ real-estate/casino mogul and reality TV star=1/2 this country really too dumb to be allowed to vote.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, the answer to somebody who you consider is destroying democracy is to take votes away from people yes this is good logic i like it

you know what's really woke, testing people before they can vote.

yes, the answer to somebody who you consider is destroying democracy is to take votes away from people yes this is good logic i like it

― the klosterman weekend (s.clover)

burning the left for wanting to "destroy democracy" is like voting against hillary for wanting to "destroy the coal industry"

I'm usually not bothered by such stuff, but it is kind of sickening to hear CNN go on about Trump being gracious, Trump "hitting the right notes," etc. It really is kind of meaningless after the past 15 months.

he's who they wanted all along anyway. the next four years are going to be great for the news networks ratings wise

oh barf, had not considered that

s.clover if you really think I'm for real wanting to take away voting rights from anyone you're even more of an idiot than I already thought

Fuck CNN in every one of its miserable holes

Xpost

Worth re-reading again: Donald Trump Reportedly Plans to Delegate All Domestic and Foreign Power to his VP

(alternate interpretation: promise everything to this creep and allow him nothing)

and I don't consider them to be destroying democracy. democracy needs an intelligent citizenry. we do not have one atm.

s.clover if you really think I'm for real wanting to take away voting rights from anyone you're even more of an idiot than I already thought

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe don't say you think people shouldn't be allowed to vote if you don't mean it? idk, just thinking aloud here

"democracy needs an intelligent citizenry."

spoken like a true patrician scion of jefferson davis

yeah I forgot about the dipshits like you who take every single thing literally, good lord.

unilateral state secession is illegal, per the supreme court: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

also a bad idea from a democratic perspective, see lincoln's first inaugural

also morally wrong, because a liberal state with a huge population leaving the union leaves trump and his fellow cretins stronger than ever

otm x3

Can the District of Columbia secede? We're not a state.

but people who want their blue state to secede don't actually want to improve the lives of the oppressed, they just want to make the problem someone else's responsibility

which is why the idea coming from California doesn't surprise me. Who would be president -- Zuckerberg?

if you think your state should be independently governed from the rest of the union go vote for a fucking states'-rights libertarian

It's frustrating, though, because even though we have the hugest population and GDP, our voices matter basically not at all in national elections. In the primaries, we vote so late that it usually doesn't matter. In the general election, we are reliably blue, which means we are basically ignored.

I guess the scary part for the rest of the country would be that if CA left, 55 blue votes would disappear.

if u think president trump would allow secession of any us state without military intervention i think u might need to reevaluate ur premises

I'm fairly sure he'd let states go. "Let'em go. LOSER!"

yeah its the large scale version of running away to canada

And so the real hatred starts and of course it has to be in my home state
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/texas-state-university-police-looking-into-trump-vigilante-fliers/jhWSmmhNxxuTXZaQJiYhNI/

bill fletcher - http://billfletcherjr.com/2016/quick-reflections-november-2016-election/

from last thread

talk me off the ledge folks
― wizzz! (amateurist)
honestly? it's every bit as bad as you say it is. that's no reason to jump.

it is a good reason, if the alternatives are eventually dieing in a nuclear holocaust or witnessing this country turn into a fascist police state.
people saying all these folks will "show up" for democrats in the future dismiss the likelihood that trump will sign (and the supreme court will approve) all manner of vote-suppressing measures.

Yesterday and today the spirit at the office has been higher than usually, everyone happy with Trump's win. Everyone unhappy about getting called racist, sexist, bigots etc. I never talk about my personal political views at work but everyone knows my wife is hispanic and I don't tolerate certain talk around me. I do ask people questions about their own views. I'm rarely even in the office but these last two days I had meetings. Everyone was talking about budgets, expansions, and projects, and I had to speak before executives and these guys from Norway. All I could think about was two hours away my wife is at home crying and afraid, while taking care of our sick daughter. I have felt like a jerk because I didn't want Hilary, but I certainly didn't want Trump, didn't even think Trump was possible. But I do work in regulation of oil and gas and my company is very pleased with our new president(with a certain trepidation). I feel guilty. I feel awful for telling my wife how I don't let racism bother me because I don't give their words power. I've never walked in a her shoes and I do try to understand, but I often fail. I just feel awful, guilty and want to cry.

<3 u Jacob

I'd really like to think the enormity and magnitude of the job will make a difference on the man. I mean, this makes running a billion dollar casino/real estate empire look like kids' play (which, let's be fair, a casino/real estate empire sort of is). We're talking hundreds of millions of lives, trillions of dollars, vast global repercussions for mistakes and victories alike. Every president talks about those facts settling in. What will it mean to selfish, narcissistic person for whom all that stuff has thus far been more or less meaningless? For someone whose idea of power has been like the nouveau riche's idea of wealth? Really curious about this. Also wondering if some of his more cartoonish, incompetent appointments will get laughed out of DC like Harriet Miers.

Beyond that, what will security be like at his countless properties? Will they have to be protected 24/7? What about employees there? What about his kids and their respective hand me down empires? What about his ex-wives and their families? Vacation properties? And, thinking ahead a bit, if a ghoul like Giuliani becomes AG, who hires the special prosecutor?

My mom, she is worried he will have a heart attack in office. How heavy was peak Bubba? And he was a lot younger then than Trump is now.