Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to

He's taking a break.

bummed that Shakey checked out right when things started to turn. hope he's ok and comes back soon.

on the radio earlier (bbc radio 5) they talked about how there would be the usual PR happy smiles for the camera/media during the meeting etc.
but no .. not one single grin.
having watched that i now need to turn up the heating.

why would trump be terrified? dude is thrilled. i never understood people saying "he doesn't really want to be president"

so many people saying "he has no idea how hard this job is", he doesn't give a shit. like he has any respect for the seriousness or demands of the role?

― marcos, Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:01 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

People are always desperately reading into images to fit some ideal narrative they want to be true. I could freeze a damning frame out of even the most positive, happy speeches or other footage of a politician/whoever without much effort.

Oh, what you all said above.

I think some people get paid decent money to do just that, actually

People are always desperately reading into images to fit some ideal narrative they want to be true. I could freeze a damning frame out of even the most positive, happy speeches or other footage of a politician/whoever without much effort.

― Evan, Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:26 PM

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Tabloid articles are the best evidence of this

I feel for Shakey. I was right there with him, trying to quell heightened fears about the sky falling. And then the sky fell. Like, who even knew it could do that? I wasn't at all prepared when it happened so I've been madly trying to gather my wits and stay positive and constructive give that mad howling void of terror as wide a berth as possible.

shakey seems like a pretty well put together dude i'm sure he's fine

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.752212

Non-Orthodox Jews supported Clinton at higher rates than Orthodox Jews, but the Democratic candidate came out ahead even in this sub-group. According to the poll, 76 percent of Reform Jews voted for Clinton, as opposed to 21 percent for Trump; 71 percent of Conservative Jews voted for Clinton, as opposed to 25 percent for Trump; and 56 percent of Orthodox Jews voted for Clinton, as opposed to 39 percent for Trump. Among those who identified as merely “just Jewish,” 67 percent voted for Clinton, as opposed to 26 percent for Trump.

small comfort but it does move me that Trump lost even among Orthodox Jews.

I can't speak to how Shakey is/was feeling, but as someone who had a similar outlook, I can say that watching my strongly held assumptions crumble before my eyes was pretty traumatic.

The photo of Obama and Trump is so damn heartbreaking. Dude literally spent his entire life shitting all over everybody and making up conspiracy theories about them and never once had to pay the price.

alright not "literally". you know what I mean.

xxp yea same here. my more cynical friends/family who have been predicting a trump win for months are not as crushed. even in 2004 it really felt like a toss-up in the weeks before

I texted with Shakey. He's ok (as ok as you can be in this horrible new world, I guess). Taking a break from the internet.

at the end of the obama meeting Trump calls Obama 'a very good man' many times, which gives me some early hope that Trump doesn't actually stand for anything and just wants the ultimate businessman gig

the fact that he doesn't stand for anything scares me the most because those around him stand for a whole bunch of terrible shit.

^^^

trump backtracking already:

Trump had said during the election campaign he would be willing to withdraw U.S. military stationed in South Korea unless Seoul paid a greater share of the cost of the U.S. deployment, but an adviser to the president-elect played down such comments on Thursday.

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South Korea's presidential Blue House said Trump agreed with Park and it quoted Trump as saying: "We will be steadfast and strong with respect to working with you to protect against the instability in North Korea."

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"He has moved on to talk about non-proliferation in a way that you would hear from any Republican president," he said.

"We are very much committed to both non-proliferation and assuring the allies that not only will they continue to be under the nuclear umbrella, but that we are going to be strengthening our missile defence in ways that alleviate some of their concerns about North Korea."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-southkorea-idUKKBN135099

"He has moved on to talk about non-proliferation in a way that you would hear from any Republican president," he said.

oh well I'm reassured whew

at the end of the obama meeting Trump calls Obama 'a very good man' many times, which gives me some early hope that Trump doesn't actually stand for anything and just wants the ultimate businessman gig

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck's sake, can we get rid of this bullshit about trump being an empty vessel? have you fucking heard anything this dude has been talking about for years?

and as everyone else notes, the people surrounding him are no better.

That's a terrible part of the reaction - the idea that Kasich or Cruz or whatever would be okay. The GOP as a whole is only marginally less white nationalist-friendly than Trump, if at all - he just came out and said it.

"He has moved on to talk about non-proliferation in a way that you would hear from any Republican president," he said.

oh well I'm reassured whew

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:57 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what you're expecting him to be sanders

I would expect Sanders to talk about non-proliferation in a way that you would hear from any president.

idealism vs reality i guess

I guess that's what's gotten me so frustrated about this election in general. Trump and his supporters have painted a picture this entire time of him being an outsider, someone who was fighting a rigged system, who the media despised for "telling the truth", who didn't have the support of "establishment" politicians, who often implied that some mysterious "they" was trying to hold him back. Not a single part of that is true. The media helped propel him to the White House by covering every single thing he did, refusing to talk about anything Hillary said unless she specifically mentioned Trump. They painted her email "scandal" as somehow being more disqualifying than all his actions combined. The FBI actively and blatantly meddled in the election to toss it in his favor. Russians hacked the DNC and Wikileaks strategically released thousands of private emails at the most damaging times possible. He lied about nearly everything and almost never got called out for it. He got away with not having to release his tax returns. He insulted Republicans nonstop in remarkably personal ways, and got to watch as nearly all of them wound up endorsing him anyway. He lost the popular vote but won the White House because of the electoral college (which he previously called a "disgrace"). All the vote rigging and voter suppression seemed to be in his favor. It is difficult to imagine a candidate getting more lucky breaks or being more privileged than he was. And yet he pushed the "rigged" narrative harder than anybody ever has. It's infuriating.

"Some people were born on 3rd base and go through life believing they hit a triple." Could not be more fucking apt about this man.

So Palin, Carson, Guiliani and Gingrich are all up as candidates? Good grief...

I guess that's what's gotten me so frustrated about this election in general. Trump and his supporters have painted a picture this entire time of him being an outsider, someone who was fighting a rigged system, who the media despised for "telling the truth", who didn't have the support of "establishment" politicians, who often implied that some mysterious "they" was trying to hold him back. Not a single part of that is true. The media helped propel him to the White House by covering every single thing he did, refusing to talk about anything Hillary said unless she specifically mentioned Trump. They painted her email "scandal" as somehow being more disqualifying than all his actions combined. The FBI actively and blatantly meddled in the election to toss it in his favor. Russians hacked the DNC and Wikileaks strategically released thousands of private emails at the most damaging times possible. He lied about nearly everything and almost never got called out for it. He got away with not having to release his tax returns. He insulted Republicans nonstop in remarkably personal ways, and got to watch as nearly all of them wound up endorsing him anyway. He lost the popular vote but won the White House because of the electoral college (which he previously called a "disgrace"). All the vote rigging and voter suppression seemed to be in his favor. It is difficult to imagine a candidate getting more lucky breaks or being more privileged than he was. And yet he pushed the "rigged" narrative harder than anybody ever has. It's infuriating.

― frogbs, Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:09 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

goes right in line w/ his white voters believing they an oppressed minority

or his image as a "self-made billionaire" despite having built entirely off Daddy's money

Hey, folks, I don't really know much about California, so could some of you help explain the flaws in my thinking?

Specifically, a lot of people who I take to be knowledgeable are immediately dismissive of the talk about California seceding. In the context of California political procedures and the stuff we've seen happen so far this year, why is this delusional crazy talk?

Because it seems to me, and maybe I'm wrong, that in California it's pretty easy to get a referendum on the ballot on just about any topic. Why couldn't secession be raised as one of those ballot referendums?

Thanks in advance.

how many states do you know that have successfully seceded from the union?

how many states do you know that have successfully seceded from the union?

― k3vin k

I'm sorry, but I don't find "It's never been done before" to be a very convincing argument in the light of this year's events.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/30/reagan-alumni-for-trump-remind-america-that-gop-didnt-start-making-things-up-in-2016/

Ed Meese is still around and on the "Reagan Alumni for Trump" council

Doesn't California get a ton of its water from Colorado?

Specifically, a lot of people who I take to be knowledgeable are immediately dismissive of the talk about California seceding. In the context of California political procedures and the stuff we've seen happen so far this year, why is this delusional crazy talk?

bc most of us are not interested in re-litigating 1860 r u 4 real?

there's a good reason there is no provision for states seceding in the u.s. constitution.

Doesn't California get a ton of its water from Colorado?

― Kiarostami bag (milo z)

Maybe, but how's California's artisanal tea industry?

I want to be clear, I'm not advocating for it. I'm not saying it would be a good idea or that it would make sense. I'm just wondering if there's a reason beyond common sense and historical precedent why it couldn't happen.

not entirely opposed to another civil war at this point tbh, as long as nukes don't get involved it might be a net positive for the rest of the world

there's a good reason there is no provision for states seceding in the u.s. constitution.

― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver)

And marijuana is an illegal schedule I drug on the federal level.

Is there any indication he will even live in the White House?

I've been wondering this too

not entirely opposed to another civil war at this point tbh

christ.

even two terms of Trump couldn't destroy as many American lives and essential infrastructure as a civil war. let's be real here.

Oh God I really don't want to get into some military nerd fantasy football about the logistics of a 2018 American Civil War. Please forgive me.

Well if one side used muskets...

How is he going to handle his business interests while he's in office? Is he legally required to disclose everything now? Are we ever going to find out who he owes money to? Like...how the hell is this going to work?

I would love for the tax returns to come back up and for there to be some reason they're made public

Against his will

the kids are going to run the business. totally separate. big league.