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http://i.imgur.com/3UgW8t3.jpg

lol

are hackintoshes still viable?

้พœ, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link

afaik

up until this update, a hacked up 2006 Mac Pro could run new versions of macOS, so modern hardware definitely has a fighting chance

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:12 (seven years ago) link

http://blog.fosketts.net/2016/10/29/total-nightmare-usb-c-thunderbolt-3/

apparently usb-c is a mess too lol

้พœ, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:22 (seven years ago) link

something to be said for the elegant design feature of having a specific shape to denote a certain function

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link

didn't know about this

Although this is technically true, there is a little-known legal obstacle to this: The Federal Aviation Administration has capped the maximum allowable size of laptop batteries on flights to 100 watt-hours. That explains why Appleโ€™s 2015 pro model contains precisely a 99.5 watt-hour battery. Although the recent MBP release only contains a 76 watt-hour battery, due to the fact that there is no low-power RAM available in greater than 16GB capacities for Intelโ€™s latest mobile CPU it can be argued that Apple are still working within that 100 watt-hour ceiling, and that they are using the best components that they can given that ceiling.

Using the other 24 watt-hours available wouldnโ€™t be enough to move the RAM & CPU up to the desktop counterparts in their laptop and still have reasonable battery life, so given the components they are restricted to using a 76 watt-hour battery is enough. With no such ceiling maybe they would have used very different components and created a larger machine. Since that was never an option that is a moot point.

This is also why the only laptops currently available which support >16GB RAM are huge, like this one which weighs 17 pounds (8KG). This battery capacity limitation goes a long way to explaining a lot of the problems with current laptops from all manufacturers. Itโ€™s also probably the main defining force of this iteration of the MacBook Pro. Apple were determined to have a reasonably long battery life, and everything else they did had to be designed around the limited size of the battery. They couldnโ€™t have made it bigger or more powerful if they

้พœ, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link

quite a cliffhanger

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link

Somebody on my facebook post was going on about hackintosh and how it's easier and more dependable than ever. I'm seriously considering it. Apparently this is the best resource:

https://www.tonymacx86.com/

lists recommended hardware and how to install the software.

I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro and it's still very capable but also starting to show it's age and not compatible w/ Sierra unless I use a patch.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

It sounds like continuity/handoff is the only thing hackintosh's can't do. I read some people had issues with iMessage but the poster on my fb said it worked.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link

I just spec'd out a hackintosh:

Quad Core i7
32 Gigs of Ram
500 Gig SSD
Water Cooled
Good Grapchics Card
Compact Case

1219$

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link

just use linux tbh

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link

No Adobe suite in Linux AFAIK

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

No Adobe, no Ableton.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

don't use linux

or if you do, use it within docker on macOS lol

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link

jNo Adobe, no Ableton.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25607

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27440

Also KVM with GPU passthrough. :)

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link

no.

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link

lol

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Wine is not a real solution to anything

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link

hahaha

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link

what about https://www.reactos.org

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link

What is Wine?

Only Photoshop CS6? I need Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator and Bridge at the latest versions as well as Acrobat.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link

threadban etaeoe

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link

I'd advocate just using Windows 10 a million times over "run windows apps on linux instead of using a mac"

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm considering Windows but I'm so tied into OSX in so many ways that Hackintosh sounds good, esp. if people aren't having it broken with every update.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

imo I'd wait until the end of the month, it sounds like apple's going to update more hardware, but who knows

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

้พœ otm

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

I'll wait...but that hackintosh pricing is really nice. I also have a 2010 macbook pro (anti glare screen!) so maybe it'll be fun to mess with hackintosh. Also thinking of locking down the computers so my music machine isn't running any of Adobe's bullshit at all. Or Chrome or Dropbox.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

I keep hearing maybe Windows is good now

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

Windows now comes with Linux

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

A buddy of mine wrote about the time we spent working on pro computing

https://medium.com/@al3x/what-pro-computing-could-be-73ba8735e18a#.1m8bfgbpe

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

fair but it is still dumbassery

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

I have a Raspberry Pi I'm planning on putting on my desk at home with stock FreeBSD installed and no network connection. That's my new pro machine.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

lol wait what etaeoe, that's you?

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link

sorry, that was in reference the the medium article

and tbf almost everything has some level of dumbassery, but the final determination of how bad a solution is really should take into account what problem you're trying to solve

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link

Windows 10 is not a complete abomination but there are certain ways it's still a much more frustrating experience than OS X, I've had font issues with Chrome on my Office PC, little annoying things will pop up and have to be taken care of via 5 submenus, in general it just doesn't quite look as good or as put together as Apple most of the time.

If you want one without a ton of useless shit and bloatware (excluding Microsoft's bloatware) you have to build it yourself and tbh I've not had much luck with drivers/etc. for PCs I built or combined parts on.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

I want to like Windows 10, but I've had no end of problems with plugging in docks/external displays. I upgraded my work laptop to Windows 10, and went back to 7 the next day because of the various incompatibilities...

schwantz, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

ordered one of these. only thing i really don't understand is not having a discrete GPU that only runs on mains power.

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link

they do have dual GPUs, the normal window acceleration stuff is mostly handled by the Intel one, iirc

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

Which I guess keeps things smooth if you're using Photoshop / playing 4K video with a bunch of windows open, but not if you want to run Overwatch at retina quality. Apple could give a shit, though.

What are the chances devs porting games to Mac bother with stuff like this? http://www.pcworld.com/article/3079785/hardware/gigabyte-just-showed-an-egpu-with-thunderboltusb-c-for-easier-laptop-external-graphics.html

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Overwatch doesn't run on Mac anyway

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

I've played PC games nearly exclusively on macs for nearly a decade, including some dual booting to Windows, a whole lot of running Blizzard games on macOS, and a few hybrid situations with older games running in emulation.

If I wanted to play newly released games I'd buy commodity PC hardware or a gaming PC. There's absolutely no attempt to capture the hardware-dependent gaming market. If people want to run an external graphics card like that, they boot to Windows. If anyone's doing that on a mac, there's an extremely high chance they're doing so for video/graphics editing purposes and not for gaming. Even then, it's a really niche market among people on the hardware hackery forums.

I think the only game development they're really strongly supporting is iOS/tvOS. Which makes sense, because the margins are obvious there

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

My first big loves in PC gaming were adventure games, which are now kind of dead outside of the Telltale games click-to-advance-plot adventures that aren't punishing any hardware, and first person shooters. After that, the Diablo and Starcraft type of things. Those kind of suck on consoles, so I might end up jumping back to a PC if the mood strikes, but I've kind of lost interest. The PS4 is nice but the late 90s version of me would probably weep if he saw me playing a first person shooter on a console.

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

No Overwatch on Mac one of my biggest gaming disappointments of the year. Blizzard's generally been quite loyal to the Mac!

Nhex, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:29 (seven years ago) link

yeah, I feel like it was a calculated minor loss but with their stakes are higher and not tied to a second tier pc platform. You get the casuals,on consoles and hardcore gamers on pc rigs

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:58 (seven years ago) link

Man etaeoe, I got excited just reading that post. But I was totally behind Be, NeXT and even had an SGI Indy, and we know how those stories turned out. Probably best you canned it.

stet, Thursday, 3 November 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link

The Federal Aviation Administration has capped the maximum allowable size of laptop batteries on flights to 100 watt-hours.

In the EU I checked and that limit is for external batteries. Batteries attached to devices can be 160 watt-hours. I'd be surprised if the two weren't in sync here

stet, Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

lol wait what etaeoe, that's you?

ya iโ€™m the โ€œfriendโ€

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

nope xp

https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/hazmat_safety/more_info/?hazmat=7

Size limits: Lithium metal (non-rechargeable) batteries are limited to 2 grams of lithium per battery. Lithium ion (rechargeable) batteries are limited to a rating of 100 watt hours (Wh) per battery. These limits allow for nearly all types of lithium batteries used by the average person in their electronic devices. With airline approval, passengers may also carry up to two spare larger lithium ion batteries (101-160 watt hours). This size covers the larger after-market extended-life laptop computer batteries and some larger batteries used in professional audio/visual equipment.

้พœ, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link

responding to my own post:

I just spec'd out a hackintosh:

Quad Core i7
32 Gigs of Ram
500 Gig SSD
Water Cooled
Good Grapchics Card
Compact Case

1219$

I just looked at the current Mac Mini again, and for 1599$ I'd get:

Dual Core i7
16 GB Ram
512 GB Flash
Intel Iris

so less cores, half the ram (but still respectable) and lesser graphics card for a few hundred more, but without the hassle of hackintosh.And that computer wouldn't be so terrible.

dan selzer, Friday, 4 November 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link


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