Rolling 2016 Thread on Race

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The only good that could come of this shameful event would be for the professor involved to feel such a strong sense of remorse that he would never again unthinkingly repeat it.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link

she

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link

sorry. she.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link

Devil's advocate: it is possible that this prof found failures to provide appropriate attribution?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link

that wouldn't justify this behaviour

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link

ah true I missed the in-front-of-class accusation on first read

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link

what kind of idiot professor thinks "hence" is such an exotic word that surely it must be plagiarized. "hence" is such an undergrad word. what a dumbass.

Mordy, Friday, 28 October 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link

anything is possible
i deal with stuff like this all the time and any professor who circles one word and writes that it's not someone's word is an unprofessional asshole -- i teach my students about academic vocab and assure them that these are their words to use. then calling it out in front of the rest of the class? also horrible asshole behavior. i do not think that escalating the cycle of public shaming is going to yield any valuable lessons taught though. it just yields and spreads more shame and anger.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link

Went back to reread the blog post. The author is scrupulous about not revealing the gender of the professor and the only pronoun I saw used was "they". Otherwise, it is "professor", "person" or similarly gender-neutral terms. Which is to her credit.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 28 October 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link

LL i'm not sure what your objection is, the student doesn't name the professor anywhere in the post. and it's the professor who humiliated her in front of the class...

obviously both the written comment (assuming, as quincie points out, that there was not failure to cite a source) and calling her out in front of the class are awful. that said some of the commenters on her blog are encouraging her to take the issue up with the dean, department head, etc, which sounds like...a bad idea

k3vin k., Friday, 28 October 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link

I am not objecting to her statement of her experience. That is hers to express and I support her right to share her experience because it does indeed need to be shared if so many people think that this is a rare experience. It's not, unfortunately.

I am objecting to perpetuating the cycle by publicly shaming the professor in retaliation. It was suggested that this was an adequate solution and I don't believe that it is. Taking it to the chair and the dean makes a lot more sense, and this has been done many times where I work. It's not uncommon. (I am not interested in getting into detail about my job here, please -- I hope by now ILX trusts that I have my heart in the right place)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 28 October 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

oh i see that you were responding to aimless's post. i agree that public humiliation would probably not be useful

k3vin k., Friday, 28 October 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link

Going to the dean/department head absolutely makes sense unless this professor IS the department head (in which case I'd go to the dean).

¶ (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link

she has reason to be upset but i'd be wary of going that route, particularly for an aspiring academic who is going to need letters of recommendation for grad school. it seems like it could easily backfire

confronting the professor directly would probably be the best option though i realize it's a lot easier for me to say that than for her to do it

k3vin k., Friday, 28 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link

she already has a situation where a professor has labeled her a plagiarist in front of an entire class; how many recommendations do you think she's going to be getting out of this department if she just meekly accepts this and talks to no one else?

¶ (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link

http://www.kcci.com/article/police-investigating-white-heritage-posters-at-isu/7664984

At this point, officials say this is a policy violation, and they want to talk to whoever hung up the signs to find out their intent.

I will give you three guesses, officials, and the first two don't count.

GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Saturday, 29 October 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Wanna see how Facebook's advertising department views you? If you go to https://m.facebook.com/ads/preferences/categories/ and click on "Lifestyle and Culture," you can see your "Ethnic Affinity" - not necessarily who they think you are, but what kind of products and services they think you might be interested in. Mine is "African-American," probably because I post about jazz a lot.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 29 October 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link

interestingly as a UK citizen i don't appear to have an "Ethnic Affinity" tag, presumably because we're such a big chill melting-pot

nom de grrrrr (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link

Yeah me neither - they do have me down as a millennial and late technology adopter tho

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link

i am down as Generation X and Fat Maudlin Twat

nom de grrrrr (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link

a friend mentioned one of the ISU posters that was put up. haven't seen any of the ones that had much text, but the one I did see looked like a bad art project and less like a call to arms for racists, but I am guessing... just really dumb racists

mh 😏, Saturday, 29 October 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

With In Full Color, Rachael Doležal describes the path that led her from being a child of white evangelical parents to an NAACP chapter president and respected educator and activist who identified as black. Along the way, she’ll discuss the deep emotional bond she formed with her four adopted black siblings, the sense of belonging she felt while living in black communities in Jackson, Mississippi and Washington, D.C., and the discrimination she’s suffered while living as a black woman.

Her story is nuanced and complex, and in the process of telling it, she forces us to consider race in an entirely new light—not as a biological imperative, but as a function of the experiences we have, the culture we embrace, and, ultimately, the identity we choose.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51qiMHtdZiL._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 29 October 2016 23:38 (seven years ago) link

i read ilx with colours inverted on my phone at night and i think its never provided better context

the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 October 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan fuck Dolezal str8 up

Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 October 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link

A former sports reporter and columnist for Jackson Hole News, Storms Reback writes and plays professional poker in Austin, Texas

mh 😏, Sunday, 30 October 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link

i am down as Generation X and Fat Maudlin Twat

― nom de grrrrr (Noodle Vague), Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:17 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it thinks i am gen x - I'm millennial - and that I'm into both the scottish labour and conservative parties - i'm a scottish nationalist - but at least it knows i'm an emigrant (though it uses the vile terms expat).

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

Facebook thinks I'm a millenial mezzo-soprano

¶ (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:13 (seven years ago) link

close enough

mookieproof, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link

yeah I was basically like *shrugs, sings some When Saints Go Machine falsetto stuff*

¶ (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link

incredible

nomar, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link

my father-in-law sent me the link to that and I think he basically stunned the entire family with the sheer chutzpah of charging that much money for collard greens

¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

lol @ the dialogue at the end

goole, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link

every time I think I've recovered from this, I think "$66 + $15 shipping" and the giggles come back

¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link

Go on, tell me why it's called Needless Markups again?

jane burkini (suzy), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link

many MANY years ago, a friend of a friend hooked me up with a caroling gig at NM; basically we had 6 ppl in old-timey gear singing "We Wish You A Merry Christmas" and stuff wandering around the store for 45 min, after which we got a gift bag of bullshit (the most useful thing in it was travel mug that should have cost $3 but was actually $19.95 or some nonsense like that)

¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

Had an ilx visual glitch where I read a caption as
"Markle's mom (who is hot)"

mh 😏, Thursday, 3 November 2016 00:26 (seven years ago) link

It's 2016, right?

Georgia Governor Refers To ‘Colored People’ In Education Speech

EZ Snappin, Friday, 4 November 2016 01:43 (seven years ago) link

classic NAACP-invoking dodge

electric wight dorkestra (crüt), Friday, 4 November 2016 01:54 (seven years ago) link

Who in the hell uses CP as shorthand for NAACP?

pplains, Friday, 4 November 2016 03:23 (seven years ago) link

people who are Not African American

The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Friday, 4 November 2016 03:25 (seven years ago) link

mcwhorter in a sure to be controversial take:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/11/13/the-recreational-use-racism/TzxwI9Fg03ySKGYrCBv9SL/story.html

Mordy, Friday, 11 November 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link

I do not have the energy to read that right now

¶ (DJP), Friday, 11 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

Or ever.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Saturday, 12 November 2016 12:32 (seven years ago) link

These two sentences seem rather historically ignorant:

Never in the history of human society has there reigned, among such a healthy proportion of a populace, such an advanced conception of human rights. It’s easy to forget what a moral advance the American civil rights movement was.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 12 November 2016 12:48 (seven years ago) link


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