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I saw a copy of This Is Stina Nordenstam for the first time ever today, but for import prices. Should I get it? She looks nice on the cover.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked it from the one listen, I recall it being quite subdued.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"This is" is excellent. Basically, itt is like a poppier version of "People Are Strange".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

have we has a "This is..." general track-by-track discussion? ANyone fancy it? It's been turning up on my iPod a lot lately. Brett guesting vocals C/D? eek

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we've done it to death at the Stina messageboard, but not over here. My favorites are "Keen Yellow Planet", "Circus", and the big MIDI-horns DANCE hit "Lori Glory".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the bridge from the be-brett-ed Keen Yellow Planet right into Lori Glory is fun. Everyone Else in the World, and Clothe Yourself for the Wind stick with me too.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm, so it wasn't as subdued as I thought, then? (It's been a while since I listened in.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm almost afraid to hear it. Dynamite was one of those perfect aesthetic pinnacles for me, and while I like People Are Strange it's necessary for me to think of it as not being a "real" album.

Wow it's eight years since Dynamite. That was a fucking formative record for me in retrospect.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oddly i leapfrogged dynamite - must re-listen asap. Oh and Stations is grebt too.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The one-two punch of "CQD" and "Down Desire Avenue" was just mindblowing at the time (probably still) - the way it's simultaneously so restrained and so over-the-top. I didn't think it consciously at the time, but what felt lacking in People Are Strange for me was that overblown melodrama (except on "I Dream of Jeannie" maybe); without it the restraint tipped everything over into mutedness.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Dynamite is incredible, an emotionally exhausting record. Rachel Goswell from Slowdive/Mojave 3 has mentioned it as her favorite record of all time. "This Is" and from what I've heard of the new one coming out maintain the ethereal edge, but it is more of a lo-fi dirty pop mode. Her aesthetic might have slightly shifted, but I still find it affecting.

On another note, Stina is one of the few artists where I often have to emotionally prepare myself to listen to.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw a copy of This Is Stina Nordenstam for the first time ever today, but for import prices. Should I get it? She looks nice on the cover.

When I visited the UK about seven years ago, this was one of the things I specifically searched out (The Vulgar Boatmen's Opposite Sex being the other). I have listened to it once, maybe twice the whole way through. If I didn't go all that way for it, I'd have sold it a long time ago. Personally, I think it lacks the production that made her next one so special. The songs are kinda, eh. Download it.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

MENTALISM

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

what was the next one?

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"The World Is Saved", which is out on October 11th via Stina's own A Walk In the Park Label. Being distributed by V2.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

what was the next one?

and she closed her eyes

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank, you are OUT OF ORDER. Please wait until you are called to speak ;)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, let's see here... i posted with a reference to "the next one". you posted your response. Jaunty asks "what was the next one?". I responded. so, uh, fuggov.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I was referring to the fact that "And she was closed her eyes" was released 7 years before "This is".

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I am assuming you meant "And She Closed Her Eyes" was the next one you bought.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

correction: my story refers to Memories of a Color. i will now fuggov.


frankE (frankE), Thursday, 16 September 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oo, memories is, ahem, a bit forgettable.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

adam loves it!

it took me a long time to warm to This is; I was disappointed when it came out, but when I went back to it a year later with fresh ears I found more to like. It's much more pop in many ways. I didn't even realize until yesterday that was Brett Anderson on it.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I am liking the new record a lot.
Here's a new track: http://www.itsatrap.com/special/stina_nordenstam-parliament_square.mp3

(the other one is now taken down)

Avi (Avi), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

!

Thanks

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, she seems to have stolen the saxophone I used on my ILX comp song

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

get the new album here while you still can

the todster (the todster), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never actually seen copies of 'This Is...' or 'Memories...'; I quite like them both on download. 'Memories..' is her weakest, but it's nice enough to own. If anyone is looking to get rid of either, send me an e-mail; i'd be happy to do a trade or something.

I'm tempted to hear the new album now, but I'm going to wait until I buy it. I'm going to buy it, regardless, but I've realized how unhappy I am when all the albums I want to buy I've already heard. There's just no excitement in that. I trust, of course, that I'll be able to find the album when it's out... maybe I'll just bring my Stina list to Scratch and get them to order everything.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 18 September 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

To reiterate: I fucking love Dynamite.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
You can stream every track from the "The World is Saved" as well as see the video for "Get On With Your Life" over here:

http://www.v2music.com/site/audioVideo.asp?avType=11

(scroll down to "S")

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 24 October 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I can't stress enough how great The World Is Saved Is, much much much better than This Is... in my opinion. It's pretty much the album I've wanted from her ever since Dynamite - dark, lush, involving, ornate. It proves as well what I'd long suspected, which is that she is one of the most interesting arrangers of pop music around - this album sounds like Pram meets Siouxie & The Banshees circa A Kiss in the Dreamhouse meets Maxinquaye with added orchestral instruments. The last bit is key I think - Stina's music sounds best when it is arcane and a bit antiquarian, because it gives her vocals some sort of contextual framing that makes them much more interesting.

The combo of "From Caymen Islands With Love" and "The Morning Belongs To The Night" is particularly affecting.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

What label is it on, and is there an upcoming canadian release date that I'm not aware of? It's nowhere in town yet :(

derrick (derrick), Monday, 8 November 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Glad you like "The World Is Saved" Tim (although I figured you would, being a Dynamite fan).

The arrangements on the album are spectacular, clearly the best in her career so far. The string quartet pieces are definitely one of the main attractions for me, it's almost as if she is reinventing "Dynamite" in neoclassical form.

Derrick it is on Stina's own label, and is being distributed by V2 in Europe. No North American release planned as far as I know.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm astonished that it was released here in Australia actually, I think it may be her first album to get a release here since Dynamite (and I can't be sure I didn't buy *that* on import when it came out).

"The arrangements on the album are spectacular, clearly the best in her career so far. The string quartet pieces are definitely one of the main attractions for me, it's almost as if she is reinventing "Dynamite" in neoclassical form. "

What I find interesting is that despite this reinvention it still sounds a lot like Dynamite (only without such an explicit post-punk vibe) or a more melodic, big budget version of People Are Strange - you'd think that with such a strong string quartet presence and so many jazz affectations the music would sound much closer to, say, the fuller pieces on And She Closed Her Eyes, but i think in the last ten years Stina's honed her arranging skills into such a distinct and purposeful weapon that she now rarely if ever sounds like she's performing in a particular style or genre.

Also, the press release says this is an upbeat record but in truth it is, as one would expect from Stina, a deliciously melancholy affair.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, this album is amazing. Tim otm re: arrangements; it's very obviously a progression from This Is... in that Stina seems to have based the general sonic feel on a lusher, more muted version of what Mitchell Froom did on This Is..., which she didn't always sound comfortable with. The World Is Saved is almost like the obverse of Dynamite (or maybe Dynamite is its evil twin) - there's the same paranoia, melancholy and fatalism, but the music flows rather than grinds.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah i should note that I do like This Is... which is in its own way just as interesting and multi-layered, but it frequently sounds like an uncomfortable record, and not in that it's unsettling but rather in that frequently the elements of the songs seem to be pitted against eachother (eg. the grain of her vocal and the arrangement won't match), and the result can sound either sound jarring or self-conscious. My favourite moment on that album is probably the chorus for "Trainsurfing", which is one of the few moments where the music just seems to take off, and loses its sense of itself as a song-construction. By comparison The World Is Saved seems to have several such moments.

Dynamite did this too, for all its grinding, and my favourite tracks on that album are similarly the ones that feel like they could go on forever - the title track, "Almost A Smile', "CQD", "Down Desire Avenue". Listening to that album agian, what leaps out at me right now is how the guitar is actually rarely particularly physical, for all its buzziness: it's the grain and the texture of that dirty guitar sound that Stina's focused on. The guitar is actually the most "soundscape" like aspect of the music, allowing the strings and the slow-groove rhythms to give the songs body and momentum. I think this is part of what makes them sound so compelling - the songs sound like they've been sculpted out of raw material, rough-hewn rock. The World Is Saved shares that feel, although it's softer, perhaps earth and clay.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I love This Is... despite its occasionally jarring moments - possibly because it was just so odd to hear Stina, of all people, attempting a shiny pop album. I mean, "Lori Glory", wtf!

That's exactly why I feel Dynamite is the more pertinent comparison for The World Is Saved, even though it's soft-focus and easy on the ear like This Is...: most of the time, when the melody and the voice and the instruments all gel, there's a real sense of musical unity, whereas with This Is... youwere always aware of the disparate components to each song. Which I suppose goes back to what you were saying about Stina's arrangement skillz - I can't remember if she produced Dynamite or not? Even the most This Is...-esque song on The World Is Saved, "Butterfly", sounds very natural, while the best songs - "Parliament Square", "From Cayman Islands With Love" just take that to another level.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Dynamite was self-produced. It's quite amazing to think that it came out only four or five years after Memories of a Colour.

I actually expected This Is... to be more pop than it turned out to be (as I only got it about a month ago, if that) - "Lori Glory" is a big exception obviously.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I am utterly, ridiculously in love with "On Falling".

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that so many of ILM's pop converts love Stina. Surprised but pleased!

Yeah "On Falling" is marvellous, although I think I probably adore everything except the last track (and even then I like it).

I think The World Is Saved will actually help me fall in love properly with This Is - I think my first few listens to the latter were fringed with nervousness that Stina seemed to be moving away definitively from the things I loved in her earlier work, whereas now I can appreciate it for what it is.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, This Is... is massively pop compared to Dynamite, and "Lori Glory" is just mind-bogglingly so. I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet.

Stina's the indie hangover from my pre-pop days!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to periodically listen to just "Everyone Else in the World". i only just noticed this now. I was in the middle of listening to World is Saved just now, and had to go back to it again. she does this a lot, gets her hooks into you by stealth

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

" I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet."

Oh, you have to hear And She Closed Her Eyes. If you find "Lory Glory" unusual wait till you hear her do upbeat love songs! "Hopefully Yours" and "Something Nice" - both really beautiful. It's a gorgeous record actually, a bit jazzy and folky but not as slight and genre-bound as Memories of a Colour. I can understand why it's a lot of people's favourite. The hushed harmonies in "When Debbie's Back From Texas" alone are enough to die for.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "Lori Glory" pretty much IS an upbeat love song. I will obviously acquire ASCHE in the future, it's been on the cards for a while.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hopefully Yours" is just swoonily romantic, and the lyrics are performed so brilliantly: "And I can't go on like this is not a way of telling you to be mine.... be mine" (that last bit sung so tentatively!).

I just listened to This Is and it sounded solidly great for the first time. I like it when ILX can change my reactions like that.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, it was only actually AFTER hearing The World Is Saved that I could pinpoint exactly what was awkward about This Is... - I still love it though, especially after Alan reminded me of "Everyone Else In The World".

Stina's delivery of her lyrics has always been exquisite - possibly something to do with the natural pitch of her voice being one which is more normally associated with drama and high emotion, but the timbre being very deadpan and low-key. I can't think of anyone else who does deadpan in such a high pitch.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I used to find it interesting how Stina would be bracketed with Bjork, when in many ways they're polar opposites as vocalists.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't complain about it as it was that comparison which made me check out Stina in the first place, but it's very lazy. Sometimes it seems like any woman whose voice goes vaguely high, or is Scandinavian, is compared to Bjork.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

For some unknown reason, I lost track of her after the second album.

Speaking of vaguely elfin-sounding divas: has Anja Garbarek done anything since Smiling and Waving?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Anja Garbarek! I own Smiling And Waving - it's magnificent. Far more similar to Stina than Bjork, too. I don't know if she's done anything since.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link


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