OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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they'll all be dynamite

mh 😏, Friday, 14 October 2016 03:57 (seven years ago) link

When I wrote this :

https://festivalpeak.com/an-open-letter-to-drake-dj-khaled-and-the-rap-world-84cd4940deb4#.qslc42y8e

I was more or less thinking of this song :

https://youtu.be/MWZrIXS62Qo

Lies by The Knickerbockers, which almost everyone would swear is The Beatles. Of course, The Dave Clark Five also works, as do some of Herman's Hermits songs, as dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏) mentioned.

AMovieADayKeeps, Friday, 14 October 2016 07:48 (seven years ago) link

In fact, there are dozens of songs that people think were recorded by The Beatles that were written and recorded by other groups, that were hits during this time. Think how similar most boy bands have been since New Kids On The Block, or how for many of us we can’t remember if a particular song was done by *NSYNC or The Backstreet Boys.

I think 9/10 people in Denmark could name somewhere between 5 and 20 Beatles songs easily, and even though "Lies" is a great Beatles-knockoff, noone would bring it up - just like they might mistake A Public Execution for a Dylan track, but hardly anyone knows it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqmzLgoWl3w

Wasn't around when NKOTB was hot, but I'd never mistake an *NSYNC song for BSB (and BSB >>>>>> *NSYNC)

Also, I think you're misrepresenting early Beatles to make your point - those first albums r000l!

Same goes for Beyoncé, describing "Crazy in Love" as a catchy little pop song with her husband Jay-Z making an appearance on it - well... it's crazy talk imo

Artistic development isn't necessarily progressive in a sense where an artist gets "better and better", producing "more complicated material" - they just do something new / different, which is also cool

And finally, penis size as trope is not over and probably never will be

Sorry for all these banalities

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LUMBAGO MUJO, Friday, 14 October 2016 08:31 (seven years ago) link

Worst piece of weed writing ever.

hardcore dilettante, Friday, 14 October 2016 11:46 (seven years ago) link

20 years ago this month, I was getting ready for work while my brother in law was plastering the walls. I absent-mindedly picked up the joint he was smoking instead of my roll up out of the ashtray and had one drag before realising my mistake. I had to go immediately back to bed. And I had to plead with him to phone in sick for me. He told me it was white rhino. Remarkably horrible stuff.

Doran, Friday, 14 October 2016 13:15 (seven years ago) link

Not really fair, but this is from a press release touting Alan White's return to Yes:

The 6-date trek, beginning November 21 in Tokyo, will feature YES performing the 1973 album YESSONGS, the band's first live album, as well as sides one and four of 1973's double album TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS, which received rave reviews throughout their 28-date U.S. outing this summer. Of the Tales portion of the show, Chicago Tribune Community Contributor Raymond Britt raved, "The pieces were nothing short of a tour de force of musical ambition, complexity and remarkable synchronicity. It sounded outstanding." Britt also added, "This version of Yes seems to play at a higher level, a more powerful level, like they've been together a decade or more. These guys are on no nostalgia tour. They play it like they mean business, with little intention of slowing down" (8/31/16). For their upcoming Japan tour, YES will perform at the Tokyo Orchard Hall on November 21, 22, 28 and 29, the Osaka Orix Theater on November 24 and Zepp Nagoya on November 25.

Yes, it cites "Chicago Tribune Community Contributor Raymond Britt." Pretty low when a press release quotes an internet commentator.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 October 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

says more about the complete lack of support for acts older than 10 years imo

(I don't even particularly like Yes)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 16 October 2016 06:37 (seven years ago) link

No one posted the hip hop golden age article huh

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 16 October 2016 06:40 (seven years ago) link

Would require reading past the headline

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 16 October 2016 13:09 (seven years ago) link

here's the singer from landfill indie band The Enemy blogging about why the group are splitting up: https://tomclarkecoventry.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/pop-has-eaten-itself/

even allowing for what his music led me to expect he is a very very very bad writer

"But the song I want to tell you about most is “Rainbow.” If it ever emerges from private listenings, it will be your favorite Kesha song. It’s big and sweeping, and you can hear every instrument that Ben Folds and his associates played — it does recall a Beach Boys vibe, just as she wanted it to. And as Folds said, the way she sings the song is so rich and so real that it jerks you out of your expectation of a pop song. “I found a rainbow, rainbow, baby,” she sings. “Trust me, I know life is scary, but just put those colors on, girl, and come and paint the world with me tonight.” In the final section, her voice becomes stronger and more strained, and the effect is devastating. I asked to hear it three more times."

maura, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link

you can hear every instrument

maura, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link

"Can I hear it three more times?"

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Up above the streets and houses, 'Rainbow' climbs high

kinder, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

"Want to hear it a fifth time?"
"No thanks, I'm good."

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

a blog by some guy i've never heard of from coventry is how far we have sunk? they don't actually teach writing at schools in the west midlands, you know. nothing but instructional sheepfucking!

okay, i made that last part up. i don't actually know if there are sheep there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link

The music industry used to be about two things, the appreciation of musicians creating art in sound, and the ability to monetise that art in order to fund its production. Now it is about one thing. Money.

orly?

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link

iirc the time it was about those two things was the 1600s and ppl were mostly writing music for the local duke

mh 😏, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eta2ulTm4iE

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link

wait my post was in this spirit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFELNIpeTjY

maura, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link

everything sounds better when it was on home movies

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link

true

maura, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link

i wont to schol in the west midlands and youm very rong, Scoot.

nom de grrrrr (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link

yeah, the feature itself was very good but that last paragraph fell into the trap of conflating musical style with musical personnel. like, if this is the kind of music kesha wants to make then I absolutely support that and god knows she deserves it, but this is the writer editorializing.

(there *is* perhaps something to be written about how the bleak apocalyptic partying of early-2010s pop by women coincided with the people making it, but A) I'm sure there are assholes in literally every pop era and B) it's a little underbaked as a thesis)

also I know Ben Folds means well but if he only knows one musician who "has gone from being packaged to real" then he knows remarkably few musicians. (like, he for sure knows Tori Amos, right?)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link

Ben Folds and his associates

great law firm

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link

too bad they didn't get a music writer to do that feature or we would have missed out on a great "Ke$ha is sitting in an uber." lede

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link

she is sitting in her saturn return

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link

kesha's last album, warrior, had a cover featuring the pop star staring off to the west, green dust exploding from her head, a polygon-laden dress covering her body at strange angles like a unraveled bucky ball. the california hills in the background were purple, not their iconic verdant green, suggesting that things as we usually know them are, in fact, not what they seem. it's fitting then that kesha has had to be a "warrior" fighting in a strange world for the last four years.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link

i think "very good" is a stretch. i saw lots of lazy assumptions about pop and pop fans

maura, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link

lol @ "iconic verdant green"

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link

remember that period of time where music reviews in themselves were entertaining or inspiring? idk, it was probably an artifact of my age at the time

now I'm more interested in well-written and informative for music I might like, and failing that, a complete trainwreck of an article like this I can giggle at

mh 😏, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link

I really am baffled at the consensus about this article -- the thing that gives me pause is that a lot of these assumptions are Kesha's, and if anyone has the right to completely hate pop music and making it, she probably does at this point.

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link

(btw I was referring to the indie dudes retiring, not the kesha profile, which I haven't read)

mh 😏, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

i also learnt to write in the west midlands so i guess i am a test case, terrible music-writing-wise

also there are lots and lots of sheep there

mark s, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

i appear twice in a the enemy video, for a total of 4 seconds #funfact

r|t|c, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link

we should do a thread on those "setting the scene ledes"

Sitting at a table at the Beverly Hills Four Season, surrounded by an assortment of G-Unit associates, 50 Cent listlessly picks at a plate of nachos.

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link

meek mill looked through his glasses was my fav

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

"I'm not sure you ever really leave the Midwest..."

Conor O'Berst is sitting at a Shakey's Pizza buffet in a post suburb of Omaha, the town where he grew up and turned into an indie-rock mecca. He is 36 years old.

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

we should do a thread on those "setting the scene ledes"

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:10 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Me and D-40 and Jordan S. used to talk about this all the time. There was a classic Jordan tweet about it

https://twitter.com/jordansarge/status/429349381142093824

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

i kind of like the apostrophe there in O'Berst, makes me think of the guy in a different way

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link

also I know Ben Folds means well but if he only knows one musician who "has gone from being packaged to real" then he knows remarkably few musicians. (like, he for sure knows Tori Amos, right?)

hi ben. may i introduce you to the beatles? or stevie wonder? or michael jackson? or, oh, i don't know, your entire industry?

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link

This is strangely reported throughout
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7557827/sarah-silverman-fred-armisen-weird-al-yankovic-festival-supreme-tenacious-d

Frozen CD, Monday, 31 October 2016 01:10 (seven years ago) link

strangely reported as though the readers not only didn't know the comedians but didn't know what comedy is

Britney Thinkpeace (m coleman), Monday, 31 October 2016 02:31 (seven years ago) link

I don't have a problem with the piece in general, but this bit from the NYT Magazine profile of Kesha was odd:

When the album was released, Kesha says, she was surprised that people criticized her for singing about the same things that her heroes, Bob Dylan and the Beastie Boys and Iggy Pop and Fugazi and Johnny Cash, had always been celebrated for.

Ah yes, who could forget all those celebrated Fugazi songs about drinking and partying?

JRN, Monday, 31 October 2016 03:48 (seven years ago) link

lesser known works in their catalog

mh 😏, Monday, 31 October 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link

yeah whenever i want to pre-game i throw on some Bob Dylan cos he's always singing about partying

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 31 October 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link

Rainy Day Women, BRAAAAAAAH

hardcore dilettante, Monday, 31 October 2016 23:24 (seven years ago) link

Street Legal

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 00:10 (seven years ago) link


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