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I wasn't saying it was the best (haven't played the format a ton yet), just that it's kinda annoying to see a card like that game after game and even if it's not broken it feels like it was a mistake at common. would be pretty fine at uncommon.

ok I can see that, but in my six or so drafts, I haven't found it to be a nuisance yet. it's still early in the format tho

It's super sad to me that Cuneo doesn't stream a lot anymore because it was always such a delight to watch him, but him stopping seemed to coincide exactly with him getting good again, so ~

I love cuneo too, one of my t5 fav players

apparently close to 100 ppl at the pro tour decided that the turbo aetherworks marvel decks were consistent enough, this is pretty weird to have such an all-in combo deck be a major part of standard after they've been suppressing them for so long

so I was riding pretty high tonight after 4-0ing FNM with my spirits deck, didn't really think things could get much better. Then I opened Mana Crypt.

not bad!

nice work Moodles

So far I am not digging the Aetherworks deck at the PT. Keep uninteractive decks out of Standard please, we already have Modern for that. I do find it amusing though that Contingency Plan made it into a Constructed deck, a card I absolutely never would have guessed

I mean to say that I am not digging WATCHING it, I'm sure it's a good enough deck to compete if that many pros are on it

do we know which if any of the big teams are playing it? it could be a high risk high reward choice by worse teams trying to spike the event.

This was the deck I faced in the finals last night. It turns out Aetherworks Marvel doesn't match up well against Spell Queller, and if you can't cast Aetherworks Marvel, the whole plan kind of falls apart. My biggest challenge was managing the Cranes because they are such good blockers against most of my deck.

yeah spell queller just shits on the marvel deck

Not sure which teams specifically, but they've had a couple pros on camera playing Aetherworks. Owen Turtenwald is on it, which is usually a sign that the deck is good

no doubt it is good, it can pretty reliably crank out a turn 4 monster, but like so many combo decks in Standard, it is a bit fragile.

yeah it seems unplayable if people are ready for it since there is so little you can do to protect your combo, finding it is already hard enough

shota having multiple main deck ceremonious rejections was p lol yesterday

It's a good card!

PT top 8 #5 for Lee Shi Tian?? I don't feel like anyone ever talks about electing him to the hall of fame, maybe because he's not even eligible for a couple more years, but I feel like this has got to cement him.

was hoping there was a dynavolt tower deck, that's my favorite energy card in kaladesh

pierre dagen has a ur spells deck w/ 4 towers

oh wait, misunderstood

after flying high at FNM, I decided on a whim to take my deck to a PPTQ yesterday, which was my first competitive REL event in over a year. Ended up 4-2, 15th out of 48. I would have loved to sneak into the top 8, but I'm pretty happy with the experience overall. I took down 3 different energy decks: one Aetherworks, one Dynavolt Tower control, and one that was trying to make infinite servos. I got absolutely demolished by Grixis emerge, not really sure what I can do to stop that deck's graveyard shenanigans.

Now I'm getting ready for Game Day. I like a bunch of the U/W decks that popped up at the Pro Tour, so I may do something similar. I've also been gathering up cards for R/B aggro and R/W vehicles. Don't know which is the best direction. Spirits feels like it's not quite tier 1, but it has the element of surprise, not a lot of people are preparing for it, plus it is really good against all these combo decks that are popping up. It is pretty weak to delirium and emerge, and maybe 50/50 against the aggro decks.

R/B and R/W seem much more powerful, but are such known quantities at this point that they seem less attractive. Which way should I go?

i like the spirits deck (both the full tribal version and the UW midrange one from the PT) so if you've got a lot of practice with that i'd just keep running it

i'm working on metalwork colossus ramp myself but i haven't gotten it to a state where i'm completely happy with it yet - i'll be playing either that or spirits at the grand prix next weekend

do you have a particular spirits build you like or is that TBD?

this is from memory since i don't have access to mtgo at the moment

4 mausoleum wanderer
4 selfless spirit
4 rattlechains
4 spell queller
3 nebelgast herald
2 bygone bishop
2 archangel avacyn

2 essence flux
2 anticipate
2 revolutionary rebuff
2 unsubstantiate
3 stasis snare
2 gideon, ally of zendikar

8 plains
8 island
4 port town
4 prairie stream

sideboard is up in the air but currently something like
1 jace, whatever his subtitle is now
1 linvala the preserver
2 ceremonious rejection
2 negate
1 summary dismissal
1 stasis snare
1 bygone bishop
2 elder deep fiend
1 quarantine field
3 blessed alliance

i think it is very possible that just replacing the anticipates+rebuffs with smugglers copters improves the deck, but i havent tried it yet. niblis of frost is also an interesting direction to go but requires changing a bunch of cards to make work and isn't good vs control which just won the pro tour

This is very close to what I ran yesterday. I agree with swapping in copter. A couple changes I'm seeing in the PT lists is swapping Wanderer with Thraben Inspector and Nebelgast with Reflector Mage. I'm on board with swapping in Inspector, but I don't really like Mage over Nebelgast because you lose a lot of flash and spirit synergies, and a lot of the creatures you might bounce with Mage have strong ETB effects.

the pt deck is very much just a UW midrange deck, not a spirits deck. that's fine as well, you just need to be comfortable with playing grindier games rather than aggroing people out

I'm going to try keeping in Nebelgast, I don't feel like I'd get much from Reflector Mage. I'm happy with the deck's ability to shift gears towards control as is.

nebelgast is definitely better in the tribal version

okay so I just got matched up against the same dude twice in a row during a Sealed league, which sucks because even though I won the first match (thanks to him getting colorscrewed in game 3), his deck was absolutely nuts and I got obliterated the second match. didn't know that was possible!!!

yeah its not supposed to happen i dont think? but its definitely happened to me in constructed leagues where theres fewer players in the pool

here's where i'm currently at with colossus
http://i.imgur.com/xXwRcpL.png

it really feels like its missing some major piece but it'd have to be a noncreature artifact and i've scoured all of standard and haven't found it yet - have tested everything up to and including aetherflux reservoir

Panharmonicon isn't playable, is it? Doubles up Crane, Prism, Puzzleknot, Trap, Skysovereign, but I doubt even that is enough to earn its place

Seer's Lantern seems like it could be ok though. Maybe Terrarion?

ive tried those. panharmonicon is crappy, the others are okay but dont really improve things especially in the bad matchups. i think more keys + kozilek's return might be worth pursuing

what's the Woodweaver's Puzzleknot for?

artifacts for colossus and helping stay alive, presumably

I'm excited for 24 months of turn 4 Aetherworks Marvel cheating a massive win condition onto the board!

Remember when it felt like Collective Company was Standard-legal forever?

But seriously, I generally take wotc's endless and capricious tweaks to their model in stride, but this new change has me irritated. Was the new set rotation really just an unmitigated disaster?

yeah this completely blindsided me and everyone else i know, so a lot of negative feedback must have been coming from newer/less competitive players. i'm fine with it though it sucks that the set that benefits most from it is oath of the gatewatch which has a lot of overbearing midrange cards and not a lot of fun synergy stuff

People seem pretty positive about the change, so I guess the shorter rotation was pretty unpopular. I was personally happy to see baby Jace, Collective Company, and Dromoka's Command go away, and I wasn't particularly saddened to bid farewell to Siege Rhino or fetchlands before that. It seems like every Standard format has a handful of obnoxious cards that overstay their welcome.

xp green puzzleknot is just for staying alive while progressing towards colossus. in a perfect world you'd get to play black puzzleknot in that slot but we need to make concessions to aggro, and vs control it still ends up representing half of a colossus redraw at some point which isn't the worst

jace and collected company would have had the same run under either rotation scheme since they were from spring/summer sets. siege rhino and the fetchlands did get cut short though.

the losers here are obviously the spring/summer blocks, i wonder if they'll make a conscious effort going forward to put what they think is the better constructed set of each pair of blocks in the fall slot. kaladesh seems like a nice one to have for the max length but if there's something particularly sweet in HOUR OF DEVASTATION it still only gets 15 months.

Yeah I too had no idea it was an unpopular change, but most of the Magic players I hear opinions from are pretty deep into competitive play. As someone who basically never plays Standard but enjoys watching it, I like the format changing often, but obv my opinion doesn't count for much

it's pretty unusual for standard to have a card go coast to coast as the best card, even collected company wasn't oppressive until reflector mage which came out halfway through its window

While you mention Collected Company, sometimes I wonder how much the current state of things affects players' opinions. For example, I bet it was a lot easier for players to swallow the change to all Standard PTs after the Modern PT this year. Collected Company was kind of an exception to Standard, I think pretty clearly the best card in Standard this year when there isn't always a best card, and I wonder if some of the players who don't like the change to a slower rotation have that card's oppressiveness in mind (I certainly do)

Woot! Took down Game Day with spirits, the deck is the real deal. I'm so glad that it has improved with rotation. Losing CoCo was a big factor in this. My last two rounds today were against bant decks that were not quite so good without it.

I also tried out vehicles at FNM this week, with mediocre results. The deck is good, I'm sure my results were down to weak gameplay, but I don't like being all-in aggro at this point. I felt exposed without all the answers that spirits provides.

ohhh man did I draft a fun U/R artifact energy deck, got out Whirler Virtuoso + Era of Innovation + Fabrication Module which essentially let me spend 1 energy to put a 2/2 artifact flyer in play. totally recommend drafting this deck if you can

the deck only went 1-2 but this was my finest Kaladesh moment so far: http://imgur.com/rspf5vc

awesome

that is truly living the dream