I kind of hate this, but kind of love this?
Although younger male artists are returning to domestic settings in their music, there are few older male artists questioning how their work impacts upon the families they leave behind. It’s borderline inconceivable that a white, male, 40-something artist could bring a refreshing perspective to a traditional genre, but Taylor’s graceful accountability and invigorating songcraft makes him an anomaly. His own dose of perspective arrives at the end of the plainly gorgeous Heart Like a Levee.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Like on one hand it's so woke that it's completely removed from reality, but on the other hand it has unlimited potential to completely piss off total dumbasses
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
cold of them to throw Sufjan under the bus like that
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Ach, they should leave Taylor alone. His wisdom is humble enough and small-scale enough to approach if that's what you're after, or leave well alone if that stuff sticks in your gullet.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
don't trust anyone who is still alive after 40
― Dominique, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link
25 is the new 40 and here's why
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
imagine someone over 40 having any kind of insight into anything
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
it's easy if you try
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
haha whiney otm they shouldn't have said "borderline"
― Har-@-Iago (wins), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
how many more years does lil bon iver have before he's put out to the white male pasture
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
It’s borderline inconceivable that a white, male, 40-something artist could bring a refreshing perspective to a traditional genre
nobody tell them who writes all the pop songs
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
or made genres "traditional" in the first place
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
inconceivable perspective that a white, male, 40-something artist brings to Borderline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzW-GGKyey0
― salthigh, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
omg i've never heard that before
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
feels like i'm going to lose my mind
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link
Pitchfork's first "native ad": http://pitchfork.com/features/from-our-partners/9955-10-years-of-apple-music-festival-a-playlist/The first one that's clearly marked anyway.
― Frozen CD, Friday, 14 October 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
2nd apparently but this one was never linked to from anywhere http://pitchfork.com/features/from-our-partners/9885-french-singer-songwriter-lou-doillon-on-love-music-and-how-to-upset-your-boyfriend/
― Frozen CD, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
um where did pitchfork.com go
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 16 October 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
"The domain pitchfork.com is no longer parked by GoDaddy."
― spastic heritage, Sunday, 16 October 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
It's working fine over here.
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 16 October 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link
I posted it to the other thread but I woke up to hate mail about a review so clearly it is not down for everyone
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Sunday, 16 October 2016 22:41 (seven years ago) link
lol if it was your most recent one, I loved it (my bf is into her and I know nothing abt her so it was a v great intro and explanation)
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 17 October 2016 00:19 (seven years ago) link
Even Mering’s less philosophical takes feel distinctly modern. “Be Free,” the song that sounds the most like a waltz
... rmde
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link
It's a fucking awful review
― imago, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I'm assuming the cover art images for the reviews have recently gotten huge on desktop for everyone else too? But they're not using high res images so it looks terrible.
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
xp to self The way it wrangles in The Doors is completely senseless, it doesn't seem to understand what's going on musically at almost any point and it spends its second half trying to ascertain just how *kitsch* and *self-aware* the album is like this is pomo class 101 or something, with every piece of art reduced to how neatly it fits Pitchfork's ridiculous kitsch/self-aware house dichotomy and ignored on the grounds of, like, composition, musicianship, emotional intensity etc. I mean, a BNM is cool and all but come the crunch, you gave the review to the intern?
― imago, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
looks like they're starting to phase out track reviews? i see only 4 or 5 posted from this week so far, whereas there used to be 8 or 9 per day.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
Good. those track reviews were always so confusing and pointless. even more shoehorning and spinning than the album reviews
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
you do realize the review was written by a senior editor and not "the intern"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:01 (seven years ago) link
like, I don't care if the review was 1000 words, 999 of which were actually a digression to endorse Donald Trump, that'd still be unnecessary and insulting
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 20 October 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link
that it was written by a senior editor makes the review even sadder
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 October 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
hahaha god
― imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
not as sad as failing to read someone's title, which is right on the fucking page)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
er, missing parenthetical should be (but that'd require actually engaging in good faith)
fwiw I did read it. I also know what a waltz is.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh come on
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
i take back the bit about it being written by an intern. i proffer instead the view that at least one of pitchfork's senior editors writes like an intern
― imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:54 (seven years ago) link
the review's emphasis on how self-aware the artist is is embarrassing, it's basically insulting to artists in general by implying that it's unusual for an artist to be aware of the tropes/styles/aesthetic frameworks they operate in
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link
xpost
lmao
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
Katherine, how do you expect this argument to play out, honestly?
Louis: "This review is bad."
Katherine: "Um, it was written by a senior editor at Pitchfork Media."
Louis: "My mistake, it is in fact very good."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
That wasn't really her point though, as far as I can tell. Just that it wasn't actually written by an intern.
― Evan, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
my point is "if you're going to publicly mock writers and/or their work, you should at least get your facts straight," and also "maybe don't refer to senior editors as 'the intern,' especially if they're women"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
Um, a lot of his favorite art films pass the Bechdel test, remember?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
Whiney, how do you expect this argument to play out, honestly? :)
― Frederik B, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
ideally without me reading the review or learning what "weyes blood" sounds like
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
you'd like the record i feel. it's good
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
cool, you got anything i can read on it?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
also, to clarify, katherine, yes I see how louis is using coded misogynist language, but i just think it's fun to pop in here and be a dick
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 20 October 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
referring to a female senior editor as 'the intern' strikes me as less of an antifeminist dickmove than halfheartedly giving one of the greatest albums of the 21st century so far an 8.3 and a trite let's-make-loads-of-shitty-comparisons review when had it been made by a man, say mark kozelek, who is maybe 1/60 as interesting as weyes blood, the review would have been fucking oceans of existential rapture. idk though it's all subjective isn't it
― imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
xp whiney, you have finally crafted your platonic ideal post; please contact the tattoo parlor asap<3
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 20 October 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link