Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

james butler on what's next for labour

What's happening about the purged masses. I thought if Corbyn won there would be an attempt to get the loads of people that the PLP had excluded from the party back into it, is that possible without purging those who'd purged them?

many months of appeals i should think

xp such hubris to put yourself above Darwin and Percy Thrower:p

I have only briefly listened to some unconvincing and equivocal PLP responses to their defeat on R4 this aft. But i get the feeling they will try a slower and more effective game next, but that might be crediting them with more nous than they have. It was lovely listening to some butthurt Labour right activist types ringing R4 this aft about the death of "their" party.

I'd love to know how many people out of the 250000 purged actually joined to support Smith. It probably wouldn't have made a shit of difference, but it does highlight the PLP's authoritarian habit of running roughshod over people rather than winning them over.

what the

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https://twitter.com/owensmith2016/status/778573499233296389

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he's either the self-clowning oven of UK politics, or the greatest conceptual artist of all time

listening to 5live Pienaar coverage. shocking spin against Corbyn and for his opponents.

I am appalled at the way the anti-Corbyn Labour people have undermined, abused and launched a coup against him, staged a contest, have lost -- and now react by saying they're going to dictate terms, making demands, setting ultimatums, etc. They lost! After trashing their party and dragging it through the mud! When will they have some dignity and modesty? (Mostly, I suppose, never.)

Just makes the idea that nothing is going to be done in retribution all the more annoying. At least they'd learn there wasa line they couldn't cross.

& the idea that people who were bounced out of the party vote because they might just support the person that did wind up getting voted in aren't going to get back into the party without further struggle is more than slightly wrong innit?

agree. especially on your second point.

we are told (by Sadiq Khan!) that there is now a danger of a 'left-wing purge'. of course there has only been one purge - a right-wing purge.

what retribution there should be, I'm not sure. but yes it's infuriating that these people are always placated and treated with kid gloves, then say they're being purged and attacked and complain.

it seems to be groundhog day with Yvette Cooper and she sounds a bit confused, she is still insisting Corbyn needs to deploy the complete control she constantly infers he has over every unpleasant idiot on social media. Even the abuse she is quoting is from way out of the Labour sphere of influence, I mean from Trump supporters - wtf!

"She told the paper: "The worst I get as a Labour MP is usually from the far right. Recent grim tweets include an Australian who wants to behead me and a Trump supporter who hates refugees.

"But no matter where it is from, abuse and intimidation entrench prejudice, silence debate and poison democracy. Even a small minority can drag everyone else down."

She said Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell should "insist on higher standards and proper enforcement".

yes - this is bonkers in exactly the ways you say.

btw this thread doesn't come up on New Answers for me - is this a general problem?

the situation above re the Blairites' reaction makes me feel about them the way that ILX poster 'conrad' does.

Surely just about any other political figure would at least try to clear up what caused the coup and the following campaign. Isn't that almost the definition of damage limitation.

So, since it has already been said here before the results of the election came through that there would be less sympathy for Corbyn if there were further attempts to unseat him, that idea must be more widespread than this list.
I really can't see a lack of action along those lines, to try to make sure his status is more stable at least, can be seen as a good thing.
Unless it is as has been suggested by Noodle Vague that the negative forces should be left to out themselves. But would everybody see them as negative forces anyway?
From what I'm seeing the idea that Labour is a coalition of a lot of different leftish perspectives is going to continually present problems in itself. But having several smaller parties trying to establish themselves in the wake of the party would presumably just leave things way too open for the Tories to become almost a one party state at least for long enough to take things even further into the shit.

Metaphorically speaking I'm reminded of the joke about the religious nut stuck in a flood who turns away the rescue boat because he's waiting for God to send him the sign he's been assured of.
Or to put taht more clearly , most people would think that if one was in a position of leadership one would deal with the element that was causing one trouble instead of just waiting for it to clear itself up. & the act of not clearing it up when it needs to be might just be seen as becoming the problem that needs to be dealt with. Something about cybernetically guiding a coalition of people who don't necessarily get along together and are likely to be infighting to some degree into something that does at least function together as a vehicle of good being good leadership which is the role that JC is supposed to be in. & that cybernetic guidance possibly taking the shape of reprimanding or severely limiting the power of the element that is currently out of balance and therefore rocking the boat etc.

That makes sense.

It almost feels like something 'conrad' would say.

So, I have a constituency party meeting on Wednesday. Given we voted to support Smith, should I demand the resignation of the Smith supporting office-holders? The danger would be that they might expect me to do something...

Exterminate All The Brutes imo

This is why the Tories are so much better at grabbing power. Fucking Rees-Mogg staunchly supported four people in the space of as many weeks and nobody's calling for his resignation

tbf to the lad that's just about supporting A.N. Tory, Corbyn's problem is the Tories who will never support him, electable or not

it was fun watching a seething heidi alexander on the politics show, she has no answer for "if the PLP were concerned about Corbyn bringing the party too far too the left, why were basically Smith's domestic policies identical?"

She is another one trying to call the terms of defeat without any leverage. Like why on earth would Corbyn let the PLP fill his shadow cabinet with his enemies as a compromise? He might as well resigned back in april if he was going to immediately capitulate after another leadership victory.

there's been a notable absence of contrition and bridge-building so far hasn't there? i think Corbyn can live with that for a few days, allow the worst culprits to show everybody what they are. the centrists - cough - have to come to him now, unless they're genuinely prepared to split.

Meanwhile conference has decided not to debate Brexit.

Chuka took a break from making tough on immigrants speeches to make some conciliatory noises earlier, but he definitely has a touch of the Rees-Mogg about him. I'd love to hear what McDonnell is saying behind closed doors about the no-compromise crew's offer of selecting their shadow cabinet.

That Liz Carr speech at the conference about the real effects of austerity on the disabled is telling it like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/actress-liz-carr-stuns-audience-8911590

That's some speech

I wonder how many present who were clapping the speech were cowardly abstainers who aided and abetted the tories in bringing in the welfare bill.

Andy Burnham is beside her in the photo. I like him. I like the way that throughout the Corbyn era, he has knuckled down and got on with working for Corbyn, whether he entirely agrees with him or not, pausing only occasionally to make quite polite appeals for other people to do the same.

Jeremy Corbyn is doing well !

he needs to do better

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lol fair

best be safe and order more of the ones with the red star

His own work is good but he distracts others.

Untapped potential from the rosy-cheeked whippersnapper.

The net tightens around Stevolende

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/19/angela-eagle-abusive-homophobic-messages-labour-members

Can you stop using my name please, I find you creepy enough already.

Had hoped we'd seen the last of Eagle after that manipulative shite she pulled earlier this year. Had hoped people would have wised up to her after that. Obviously some people didn't.

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in other news, Mark Sandell has been expelled from Labour along with 15 other members of Brighton and Hove CLP. the CLP is going to be split in 3:

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016/10/19/suspended-labour-official-expelled-as-brighton-and-hove-party-faces-break-up/

Can you stop using my name please, I find you creepy enough already.

Had hoped we'd seen the last of Eagle after that manipulative shite she pulled earlier this year. Had hoped people would have wised up to her after that. Obviously some people didn't.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:24 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sweep sweep

Stevo you do realise that a guy has actually admitted to sending her a death threat, right?

Corbyn more Baldrick than May, sez Baldrick

@Tony_Robinson
To those tweeting me about 'MSM', Corbyn faces no more hostile media than every Lab leader in history. He's just inept at dealing with it

for a bloke who presents history programmes that's one v short memory right there

liquidate all these fucking awful New Labour luvvies imo

is complaining about the "MSM" a thing now?

always and #4evah

a bunch of otherwise sensible leftist friends of mine talk a lot about conspiracies where I would be reluctant to use that word but there's no reason they're not broadly correct