I had this book and the official film storybook to hand from the start. And got the soundtrack. Which for all the Totoness does have a couple of good moments -- the main theme is short but memorable -- and it was the first time I'd ever heard anything by Eno, so hey. Had actually read Dune for the first time a year and a half before the movie came out so I was kinda primed.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
lol yes, i'm half way through the 3-hr fan-cut right now (it's here: https://yadi.sk/i/kciUCmMSiRhHS ), so just watched everyone sat listening to gurney halleck's baliset solo -- i like the way paul just bursts into this wide joyful grin at every moment of halleck's artistry (poems or music), either becasue he can't believe how talented he is or how awful he is
most of the extra scenes are yet more leaden-paced exposition (at the start over paintings, possibly the art director's sketches of sets and costumes), but there's a good confrontation between jessica and the shadout mapes , plus feyd-rautha gets to torment leto (sting opens his mouth so the quality of his performance drops quite a lot)
also a good pug-in-the-palace moment as the atreides compound is being destroyed
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
There's probably fanfic about the pugs...somewhere.
sting opens his mouth so the quality of his performance drops quite a lot
Imagining a cut where he just carries that cat around, all while wearing the jockstrap, and saying nothing.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
are the "weirding modules" in the book? i don't remember them at all
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
Invention for the film. In the book the 'Weirding way' is a martial art form via the Bene Gesserit. Brief breakdown here:
http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Weirding_Module
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/fireland/status/773690179299053569
― r|t|c, Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
the weirding modules were the best invention of the film and also provided a sample-rich scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PeZ6YsbQ8
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
the pugs are the best invention of the film
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
the flip side, Deep Sleep, mines Paul's waking dream and the Prophecy Theme by the Eno bros and Lanois:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsjugznEJY
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
ok, further additions in the 3-hr fan-cut version: water rites and duelling in seitch tabr, thufir hawat's death scene
that's kind of it -- except for the scene w/mapes and jessica maybe the best bits were genuinely all present in the original: the sietch tabr stuff helps a little with pacing and scene-setting perhaps, but none of it is remarkable (also the acting in it is p dull and one-note)
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
IIRC the issue with Paul isn't so much in the acting as the script, which barely even sketches out the most interesting thing with the character in the book - the constant awareness that events and his 'narrative' are leading inescapably towards galactic fanaticism and slaughter. Without that he's just a plucky youth who suddenly becomes a superbeing beyond our comprehension or interest.
The weirding gizmos are dumb imho - if you're gonna punt the supernatural/ESP stuff, do it consistently. Feels like the original concept of Wolverine as a guy with claws in his gloves, so anybody who gets the gloves would be Wolverine. Silly.
― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
saw this pic today and it blew my mind:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/312a31ec6f5365a31750d73bcbf423a8/tumblr_om0ekxnf3Z1vy747uo1_500.jpg
can't believe it's taken me this long to realize the baliset is really a modded Chapman Stick
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link
there's a scene with gurney playing it in the extended version and it sounds like a steve hackett instrumental
― clouds, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 12:38 (seven years ago) link
the new, extended Dune ultimate edition, featuring a 16-minute chapman stick solo by Tony Levin
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link
Don't try your powers on me. Try looking into that place where you dare not look. You'll find Tony Levin there, playing a 16-minute Chapman Stick solo.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
LOL
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
I'm a lynch stan but both times I watched this I fell asleep. Just has that effect on me for some reason. I don't hate it or anything, maybe it would help to read the book so I start off already invested and knowing all of the many names given to each thing. Paul who is the moaddib who is the quidditch haddock (I find it funny that his actual name is "Paul", not sure if it's supposed to be funny). I love the simple fact that all these people are in a film together anyway
btw I know I keep missing the whole middle of the movie but I always find the last line a little weird: "he IS the quiznos hatchback!" It's like... we know. You told us at the beginning?
― wins, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
it's a callback to John Wayne in The Greatest Story Ever Told
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
Lol mebbe
The acting does feel to me like it's from an earlier era at times
― wins, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:48 (seven years ago) link
Lynch seems to find the whole experience painful to think about but if anyone were ever able to coax him into making a long directors cut id def watch
― wins, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
can't believe it's taken me this long to realize the baliset is really a modded Chapman Stick― Moodles, Monday, March 6, 2017 9:09 PM (yesterday)there's a scene with gurney playing it in the extended version and it sounds like a steve hackett instrumental― clouds, Tuesday, March 7, 2017 4:38 AM (five hours ago)
― Moodles, Monday, March 6, 2017 9:09 PM (yesterday)
― clouds, Tuesday, March 7, 2017 4:38 AM (five hours ago)
There's a reason I made a Pat Metheny crack a few months back!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's pretty deliberately arch i think
nostalgia for old movies is a big part of a lot of SF movies in the post Star Wars era
sadly I think Lynch has said that the rumour of hours of unused footage aren't true
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
A few years back I attended a lecture by Lynch -- it was on his TM stuff rather than film but I figured 'eh, it's Lynch, it'll be weirdly entertaining' -- and he was introduced by the MC who ran off a list of all his films in order, except Dune. So in the Q&A someone had to ask about that, and there was both general applause from the audience and Lynch seemed pretty comfortable talking about it. It's kind of a comfort-zone botch now.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
i think a bunch of ilxors have been to one of those TM lectures! mine was in Philly i'm almost positive.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
Reading through the thread mark s's review seems about right (maybe it's the whispering that's lulling me to sleep) - I thought of the keep as well, another interesting "butchered" film that almost certainly doesn't make any more sense in the 4-hour cut
― wins, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
For that matter, Patrick Stewart is really just a modded Tony Levin:
https://img.discogs.com/z5RU0QNghN4msT9GMSV92Xhfnrw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/A-256225-1144684281.jpeg.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
I wish Lynch would make more SciFi films
― Moodles, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
― wins, Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
man i want 4 hour keep so bad
― Cognition (Remix) (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
I want a 4 hour cut that has literally no expository dialogue or narration
― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
but would settle for 90 minutes
― “Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
highly recommend the book wins, much superior work
― clouds, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
the best thing about dune (the novel) is the deep-ecology philosophy but that doesn't really carry into the film
― clouds, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I need to read it
― wins, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Love these:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/c6d0423d60034645a7e24f51baa34845/tumblr_op2re29zEX1tvemm6o2_500.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/441e22399b529c2e8dc50acea9a96594/tumblr_op2re29zEX1tvemm6o3_500.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/28c979094c349feb4c7977f117b9e872/tumblr_op2re29zEX1tvemm6o1_500.jpg
― Moodles, Friday, 28 April 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
omg yes
― Brexectile dysfunction (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 April 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
nausicaa meets dune!
― clouds, Saturday, 29 April 2017 02:53 (seven years ago) link
The third one especially
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 29 April 2017 08:20 (seven years ago) link
Sign me up for the HideakiAnno-directed anime miniseries.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 1 May 2017 09:41 (seven years ago) link
Just watched this for the first time in like fifteen years last weekend. I still love it for all it's flaws, but good gosh the last 45 minutes is so rushed. You can just tell it was ruthlessly cut to get it under two and a half hours.
Also the triumphant ending with a noble race of warriors rising up out the desert to conquer civilisation can't help but feel a little uncomfortable in light of more recent world events. I understand Dune Messiah deals with the consequences of the Fremen jihad getting out of control but as Lynch never got to film a sequel, what we get is "PAUL IS GRATE AND SOLVES EVERYTHING the end."
Now I'm watching the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries from 2000. God, it's so threadbare. Awful costumes, cheap looking sets, lousy CG special effects. At least the new film, if it ever happens, couldn't possibly look this shabby.
― Pheeel, Saturday, 15 July 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link
I always thought of that version as essentially a stage play that was filmed.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 July 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link
the "non-director's cut" three-hour version is p much just as rushed in the final hour
― mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxgDk2I_bSc
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 15 July 2017 23:59 (six years ago) link
relive ALL the excitement and adventure
― mark s, Sunday, 16 July 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
Isn't the book like that? It's been decades now (oh god) but I remember a huge amount of Paul's edification followed by womp bam boom insurgent takeover
Maybe the film colored my memory of the novel - but it certainly didn't ruin my idea of what an ornithopter should be (but by god, they tried)
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 16 July 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
the book (which as you recall is VERY LONG) spends quite a long time on the desert stuff where the film has already begun to hurry
― mark s, Sunday, 16 July 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
also iirc one of paul's principal dilemmas/heroic struggles is with how to overturn the existing political status quo without unleashing a "jihad" that would bring violence and destruction to the universe at large. though i can't really remember why that would have seemed so likely a proposition. kinda interesting in that it was written a decade and a half prior to the iranian revolution which to my limited understanding sorta took the global powers-that-be by surprise...? idk
also btw just gotta say i am very very late to the party on this but for those who appreciate the long-term terraforming aspects of Dune the novel, i am finally reading RED MARS, the first part of kim stanley robinson's MARS TRILOGY and it is fucking incredible on this and several other points.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 July 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link
Do we have wormsign?🐛 #dune pic.twitter.com/Gh8Hqf4CIf— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) July 16, 2017
― Moodles, Sunday, 16 July 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
Usul has called a big one!
― Dan I., Sunday, 16 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
Those drawings above have to be Ryoichi Ikegami (Crying Freeman, Mai The Psychic Girl, Sanctuary).
I avoided watching this for years because Lynch seemed to hate it, I thought Sting was the main character, I don't like deserts and the only clips I had seen were of the big brain creature and the baron.
Wasn't expecting much, but HUGE HUGE HUGE surprise! There's a lot wrong with it but damn, there's a lot of great looking stuff in here, Toto are surprisingly great, Kyle MacLachlan and Sean Young look amazing, most of the special effects and settings look better than sci-fi films today, the worms emerging from the sand look convincingly massive, love all the whispery and dreamy scenes.
I like this better than Bladerunner, Metropolis, 2001, Star Wars, Alien films and any big sci-fi film I can think of right now. But it's hard to experience some of those films as fresh as I got Dune, they're weighed down by their pop culture legacies.
I actually don't think Jodorowsky's version would have been better, it would probably be an even bigger mess with fewer good parts (although the soundtrack probably would have been better).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 1 October 2017 14:09 (six years ago) link
Keep thinking of Jack Nance playing an instrument. Very funny.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link