heh.. just a thought. you'd still have plenty of great weirdos like Monks/13th floor elevators/red krayola etc.
― brimstead, Saturday, 10 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
I'd like to think everyone would vote for those anyway within the spirit of the poll.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
I think the best place to start is by deciding on which genres to allow in keeping with previous polls (AKA 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll!) before eliminating individual acts within that.
Anything 'heavy' , 'punky' 'noisy' 'weird' 'Funk/soul', 'jazz', 'experimental' 'psychedelic' , 'prog'
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
Not trying to naysay but I think your 70s poll was p much perfect and any new decade polls will only serve to tarnish your legacy as a poster
― Drugs A. Money, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
lol 'legacy'
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
btw there would be a tracks poll so we wouldnt be so militant in that. Plus a tracks poll should be great for having lots of garage rock in it!
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
Looking forward to the poll. How are you going to handle Brill Building/girl group/Atlantic soul/Nuggets that most people know from comps and greatest hit collections that came out after the 60s?
― that's not my post, Saturday, 10 September 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
fuck knows, lol. We can worry about that in 6 months when the poll happens I guess.
Anything soul or jazz will count. Garage rock will definitely count.
Most of the girl groups were more singles based right? That would make for an awesome tracks poll for sure.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
May even try persuade stirmonster to not veto anything for the tracks poll and just let everything in.
I'm guessing there are hundreds of great 60s R&B albums, I don't know what they are, though, the received wisdom re: albums being only good after Marvin/Stevie "rebelled" against their labels is pretty stupid sounding, imo.
― brimstead, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
labels
meters, bar-kays, booket t & the m's for starters
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
hot buttered soul was the 60s, sly and the family stone - stand, otis redding
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Nerry Gordy of Motown wasnt big on albums though, its true
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
I'm thinking more early 60a, it's whole undiscovered territory for me personally. I just don't buy the whole "albums sucked until the Beatles put some thought in them" crap.
And damn, I know there must be tons of amazing blues full lengths from the 1960s made by old ass dudes..
― brimstead, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
Hot Buttered Soul is so great. I hope Isaac Hayes got some sort of congressional/presidential medal before he died
― brimstead, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
Jazz albums were fantastic since the 50s so its bullshit about albums sucked until Rubber Soul as put about by some people
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:48 (seven years ago) link
seems like a decent place to start
http://tinyurl.com/60s-Soul-albums-RYM
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
I suppose I'm really thinking about just "pop" music.. Jazz and classical have always ruled and will always rule inna long form style. Beatles albums before rubber soul still get massive plaudits whereas Motown/r&b of the same time get the whole "singles plus filler" rep.
― brimstead, Saturday, 10 September 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
pop critics are just as snobby as rock critics when you get down to it.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
how many times have you been asked what is your fave bands/album/drummer/etc and you get the reply "oh but that's jazz" as if it shouldnt count
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 10 September 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link
Should these be barred from nominations?They never win polls but are always in top 20s
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric LadylandJimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?The Doors - The Doors
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 September 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link
they are wonderful albums
― riding a display name through (brimstead), Sunday, 11 September 2016 00:38 (seven years ago) link
they are, but so are the others people want excluded as they are always in the top 20s
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 September 2016 00:40 (seven years ago) link
had a suggestion to ban the top 20 or 30 from herehttp://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/1960-69a.htm
feel it would be harsh to ban king crimson as thats their only 60s album plus they were in 70s poll.
I think maybe prevent the top 20 or 30 from being nominated except for those who were in the 70s poll + no ban on jazz/soul or stooges/mc5 ?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 September 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
Ive pretty much decided on that btw
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 11 September 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
sorry for slow response. yes, totally up for this and am going to mull over and consult with cosmic slop on how best to do this without pissing off absolutely everyone who might participate.
― stirmonster, Monday, 12 September 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link
don't ban anything imo, just celebrate when like sgt pepper ends up at 89 or something
― imago, Monday, 12 September 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
if you dont ban anything you piss off johnny fever and people who moan about 60s lists all being the same.
If you ban the beatles etc you piss off those fans of those
we need to find a way to piss them all off equally!
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 12 September 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link
For me, if the poll covers psychedelia then Revolver and Sgt. Pepper should definitely be allowed (and Satanic Majesties for the Stones). If it's an anti-canon poll then fair enough but you'd have to exclude a lot of other stuff (definitely the Velvets and Trout Mask Replica).
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 07:42 (seven years ago) link
I agree that banning should be banned. I like to see how ILM's consensus overlaps with or diverges from the mainstream. Very excited for a 60s poll!
Also, just listened to the 70s poll winner, which I had no awareness of at all - it's fantastic! Back to metal now.
― tangenttangent, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 09:30 (seven years ago) link
Hang on, the only reason I made tactical suggestions is because the concept of pre-banning things had already been brought up. That's not my usual m.o. I only did it for the Alt-70s album poll simply so we wouldn't have a rehash of the original poll.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 12:33 (seven years ago) link
I only did it for the Alt-70s album poll simply so we wouldn't have a rehash of the original poll.
And Fleetwood Mac still won, so ILM is gonna ILM all day.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 12:34 (seven years ago) link
haha
there's no previous ILM 60s poll to leave out the top 100, is there?
Beatles, Beach Boys, Dylan, Stones would need to be barred to avoid the alt-70s poll scenario.
Sadly there's no actual Rolling Stone or Mojo best albums of the 60s list to leave off nominations.
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
now metal poll is over I have time (and several months) to discuss this over with stirmonster. He can play bad cop.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah nothing by The Who I guess
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:50 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd argue against this mainly because Tommy is the only '60s Who record that regularly shows up on BEST OF WHATEVER lists. I've seen Sell Out once or twice, but never My Generation or A Quick One.
Ban Tommy, not the Who.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
When is Quadrophenia from? cuz thats gotta go too if its the 60s otherwise I agree with you
it may just end up with stirmonster and I arbitrary cutting albums, everyone can have a moan but bad cop will stand firm
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
but defo no beatles or beach boys or dylan. I dont mind satanic majesties being allowed tho i wouldnt vote for it
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
Quadrophenia is from 1973.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
i dont want to ban too much tho so it will be those acts plus albums that always make the top 10 or 20 which sadly means vu & nico, forever changes, trout mask replica
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
my fave who is Sell Out was never keen on anything after 1970
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
No BeatlesNo Beach BoysNo DylanNo Hendrix
Only Rolling Stones album allowed - Their Satanic Majesties Request
Albums Banned:
Van Morrison - Astral WeeksThe Who - TommyVelvet Underground - VU & NicoCaptain Beefheart & His Magic BandLove - Forever ChangesThe Doors - The Doors
I'm not sure much else needs banned. I checked up several lists and those are the ones that appeared on them all.
Im fine with anything else placing.
And fwiw Forver Changes is my fave album of all time so there's no bias here. Only Tommy out of those thngs banned I dont like.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link
that should read Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link
While you are sorting out the details of the 60s poll, why don't you check out
LET'S GET IT ON! It's the ~~~ 1970s SOUL ALBUMS POLL ~~~ NOMINATIONS AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
oooohhh awesome!! thanks for the heads up!
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Cor, what a magnificent poll. Did one happen for the 80s/90s? Finds for tonight: Agitation Free and the Groundhogs' Split.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Saturday, 17 September 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
yes there was an 80s poll which ran before this one.
The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - ALBUMS! Top 20! ends today
we are going back the way for some reason.
No idea if there will ever be a 90s one but you never know in a year or 2 but first things first and while I suppose we could open noms soon if people want , we still wouldnt be starting voting til feb or march.
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 September 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
that's for the 60's poll I mean obviously
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 00:26 (seven years ago) link
Hold off on the noms alright...jeez louise. I didnt know you were planning on starting right back up
― the coyotes have taken over the town (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 18 September 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
(Obv if others want to start, then do it. Thats only my singular opinion.)
― the coyotes have taken over the town (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 18 September 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link