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you can play a creature and tap it same turn too, giving a bit extra resiliency/consistency vs e.g. sweepers

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link

we finally get dwarflord

frogbs, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link

yes vehicles seem good vs sweepers. essentially gives all your follow-up plays pseudo-haste

ciderpress, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link

this set is the most excited I've been about the design and mechanics since... Scars of Mirrodin block? maybe even Time Spiral block? energy and vehicles are both pretty out there. hope it translates into fun gameplay

Vinnie, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link

that's what I like about them doing two blocks a year, it's a lot easier to do something really out there. not saying this is gonna be that set but I like what I see so far

frogbs, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

kinda weird that spoilers have already started. maybe it's because I mostly play online but EMN still seems brand new to me

It's always been a pretty short cycle between the base set and the next block (about 2 months) but base sets tend to play in a pretty basic way and have a lot of reprints so they don't hold interest for very long. Eldritch Moon has a lot going on and changes the draft and standard formats quite a bit. I'm still getting the hang of how to draft it, but Kaladesh is already taking my MTG attention away

Vinnie, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

Apparently you can use a vehicle to crew another vehicle

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

yeah the summer set has only a 2 month run since its historically been a core set, and they haven't changed up their release schedule much yet since that stopped being true

ciderpress, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link

we've got the enemy versions of the seachrome coast cycle finally

ciderpress, Sunday, 4 September 2016 04:31 (seven years ago) link

I made this puzzle for my friends a week ago, and it's unexpected really fun!

"It is turn one. You draw a seven card hand, consisting of a land, an artifact, a white card, a blue card, a black card, a red card and a green card. It is possible that some of these cards are other things as well, for instance both your white and your green cards might be copies of Selesnya Charm, but the above must be a description of your hand.

You play all seven cards (playing the land in the conventional fashion, and casting the other six) and then attack for lethal damage.

A) using a vintage ban list, what were they?
B) using a vintage ban list, but playing them *in the given order* (ie L,A,W,U,B,R,G), what were they?
C) using a legacy ban list, what were they?
D) using a legacy ban list, and playing them *in the given order*, what were they? (I don't yet have a solution to this one, and it may be impossible)

You may not rely on randomness or the top of your deck."

I spent *hours* on C.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 09:18 (seven years ago) link

I must be old because my brain keeps going to some form of Ball Lightning + Berserk

btw the spoilers are really churning out now. the art direction on this seems amazing so far. There's a 1-mana "counter target colorless spell" card which seems very important

this seems potentially broken as well
http://mythicspoiler.com/kld/cards/panharmonicon.html

a lot of people upset at how busted this is gonna be in EDH. they're right but whatever, I love it when new cards shake up a casual format

frogbs, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link

for a:
lotus
ancient tomb
manamorphose (green)
reckless charge (red)
double cleave (white)
tainted strike (black)
fugitive wizard (blue)

guessing there's something similar that can be done for b, infect + haste + double strike is the easiest way to get a t1 creature win

iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link

I don't get iatee's solution - lotus + tomb is 5 mana, but charge,cleave,strike and fugitive is 6.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link

Wait, ignore that, no it isn't!

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link

GOOD JOBBE

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

feel like there's a way to do iatee's solution with Lost Leonin for B but i haven't worked out the details yet

ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

my favorite magic puzzle was the t1 kill using only cards from scars of mirrodin block (you can stack your deck)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

I'm close to a legacy solution with:

pact of the titan (red)
+ cloud of the dominus (blue)
+ tainted strike (black)
+ mutagenic growth (green)
+ strength of arms (white)

but I can't get WUB or WRB with a land and an artifact. I think pact + cloud of the dominus is a good route though.

iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link

ciderpress - on the play?

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link

yes, on the play. you have 7 cards to work with

ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link

the 4x card limit applies obviously, or you could just reveal 7 chancellor of the dross and be on your way

ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link

Invigorate can factor in as well

As a matter of fact I once devised a turn 1 kill using ONLY cards from the set Mercadian Masques. Bet you can't figure it out. It's really dumb though and has a massive asterisk next to it.

frogbs, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link

okay invigorate is what I needed actually

pact of the titan (red)
+ tainted strike (black)
+ cloud of the dominus (blue)
+ invigorate (green)
+ marrow shards (white)
taiga
lotus petal

play taiga lotus petal, petal for B, taiga for R
pact for 4/4 (BR)
cloud on the 4/4, it's a 5/5 haste (B)
tained strike, it's a 6/5 haste infect
invigorate, it's a 10/9 haste infect
cast marrow shards cause it's a free white card

iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link

apparently clout of the dominus not cloud

iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link

this gearhulk cycle seems pretty pushed, i guess they wanted new titans?

ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link

yeah the blue one seems ridiculous, just an insanely ratcheted up Snapcaster (at 3x the mana cost, but whatever)

they seem to be playing fast n' loose with some of these effects. I've seen a lot of cards that let you bypass mana costs and a decent number of cards that seem to reward you for playing cards that are already good. Seems dangerous!!!

also lol @ Dwarf Nighthawk, looking forward to that total pain in the ass in Limited

frogbs, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

they did something like that for ravnica and it only served to highlight just how much has changed since the older sets - you basically ended up playing the spells from the old block and the creatures from the new one. i'd expect something similar to happen here though not as drastic

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link

interesting. that makes sense.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link

also obviously there's the issue where old innistrad has no discard outlets or payoffs and SOI has almost no sacrifice outlets so you're spread thin on some of the major mechanical themes

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link

yeah it probably won't play the best but I love these weird limited formats so I'll do one or two

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Pay 50 life: Aetherfux Reservoir deals 50 damage to target creature or player.

^^^^ now my favorite line of text on a Magic card

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

that card is a fun design. by my calc you can kill with a "storm count" of 8?

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

the "creature" bit is what makes it

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

yeah I'm really amused by that

I know where it comes from too. I remember MaRo saying the design team really wanted the wording "destroy target creature or player" on Door to Nothingness and were disappointed when the rules team told them it wouldn't work. So, here you go

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

the "creature" bit is what makes it

Boros Reckoner combo, innit

Vinnie, Thursday, 8 September 2016 02:24 (seven years ago) link

oh man draft leagues are here, time to get hopelessly addicted to MTGO again

frogbs, Thursday, 8 September 2016 02:32 (seven years ago) link

anyway yeah so playing matches outside your draft pod is definitely a little odd. my first match was basically a mirror vs. someone who happened to have the exact same rares I had. haven't seen that before in a draft.

frogbs, Thursday, 8 September 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link

i've seen that in normal drafts, though due to collation it's certainly less likely IRL

ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link

my favorite magic puzzle was the t1 kill using only cards from scars of mirrodin block (you can stack your deck)

― ciderpress, Tuesday, September 6, 2016 3:14 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did this today and it was super fun! I wasted looooads of time on trarfvf jnir vagb 2k cherfgrry cnynqvaf vagb nppbeqre fuvryqf vagb fbzr fbeg bs gjvfgrq vzntr xvyy, naq nyfb nobhg inevbhf arpebgvp bbmr yvarf vaibyivat fbzr pbzovangvba bs fbyvgba, xhyqbgun sbetrznfgre, zbygrafgrry qentba naq vasrpg fbhy-rngre, but I couldn't quite make any of them work - I always seemed to be one card short. In the end the solution was more realistic!

I might try the masques block one now.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 8 September 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm now curious whether you came up with the same solution as mine or if there's another one out there

here's how i did it (spoilers): https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8908599

ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link

Oh wow, that's not mine at all! I didn't even find that card - I did:

https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8908612

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 8 September 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link

there really seem to be a ton of great and interesting designs among these previews

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link

yeah this set looks great, though as always its very hard to figure out how it will actually play until next friday when we see all the commons/uncommons that weren't exciting enough to preview

ciderpress, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link

Energy in particular is really cool. It's hard for me to separate the fact that the set seems full of exciting cards from the fact that the power level seems, like, super crazy high.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link

the power level below mythic rare doesn't seem abnormally high to me other than Voltaic Brawler. but yeah those gearhulks and planeswalkers are all strong

ciderpress, Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:40 (seven years ago) link

So what stuff from current standard should we be hording for rotation?

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 September 2016 05:17 (seven years ago) link

finally a blue card that feels like it's trying: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsKxu2-UEAAlPtX.png

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link

uhhh what is this about Mana Crypt being back

frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link

it's part of "Kaladesh Inventions" which are basically the same thing as the zendikar expeditions but for artifacts instead of lands

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link


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