pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

No way, 'God is Love' totally rules.

The live set that's on the deluxe edition of What's Going On, generally speaking, makes a sick joke out of the studio version.

This Spotify playlist is ALL dollar bin stuff!

"Songs in the key of Donnie and Joe Emerson: Music that Inspired the Fruitland Recordings"

https://open.spotify.com/user/lightintheatticrecords/playlist/3vVsfGaJQMl7OBmJajg2rg

some measure of commitment to their position as arbiter of the canon or whatever

Apart from having fun with lists and producing content for a website the key to these lists is that if they are accepted they assert the publishers "cultural capital" or smth right?

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

new pitchfork ad feature: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28535603/google-chrome-forcing-download-of-f-txt-file

the expanded version of What's Going On with all the extra tracks/demos is pretty amazing, I love that lush but still gritty sound. Oddly I don't unreservedly love any of Gaye's albums all the way through, I still feel like I would prefer to cherrypick tracks from here and there. Maybe cuz that way I still get the full length of Got to Give It Up (his best song)

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

Probably. Sight & Sound and Rolling Stone want to guard it, maybe incrementally move it along, Spin in 1988 wanted to upend it--which can be embarrassing if you don't have anything interesting to offer as a replacement; their list was pretty good, though. Pitchfork, I don't know well enough to comment.

the best track on what's goin on is what's happenin' brother. "will our ballclub win the pennant? do you think they stand a chance? and tell me, friend, how in the world have you been?"

http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9932-the-50-best-indie-rock-albums-of-the-pacific-northwest/

Strange list. Lots of good albums, but "the folks who made this list chose to exclude the “grunge” era from the tally".

Full list:

1. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
2. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out
3. The Microphones - The Glow, Pt. 2
4. Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
5. Built to Spill - There’s Nothing Wrong With Love
6. Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
7. Elliott Smith - XO
8. Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica
9. Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism
10. Bikini Kill - Pussy Whipped
11. Beat Happening - Jamboree
12. The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
13. Built to Spill - Keep It Like a Secret
14. Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
15. Destroyer - Streethawk: A Seduction
16. Japandroids - Celebration Rock
17. Sleater-Kinney - All Hands on the Bad One
18. The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
19. The Postal Service - Give Up
20. Wipers - Youth of America
21. Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You
22. Dead Moon - In the Graveyard
23. Neko Case - Furnace Room Lullaby
24. The Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic
25. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine
26. The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
27. Death Cab for Cutie - We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes
28. Bratmobile - Pottymouth
29. Beck - One Foot in the Grave
30. Heatmiser - Mic City Sons
31. The Microphones - It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water
32. The Halo Benders - The Rebels Not In
33. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
34. The Decemberists - Picaresque
35. Mirah - You Think It's Like This But Really It's Like This
36. Pedro the Lion - Control
37. Gun Outfit - Possession Sound
38. The Softies - It’s Love
39. Milk Music - Cruise Your Illusion
40. Pretty Girls Make Graves - The New Romance
41. Lync - These Are Not Fall Colors
42. Tiny Vipers - Life on Earth
43. White Lung - Sorry
44. Quasi - Featuring "Birds"
45. The Posies - Frosting on the Beater
46. The Spinanes - Arches and Aisles
47. Youth Lagoon - The Year of Hibernation
48. Damien Jurado - Maraqopa
49. Excuse 17 - Such Friends Are Dangerous
50. Gaze - Mitsumeru

would rather see a list from... say.. Italy. or some other relatively unknown indie location. the mediterranean southwest of Italy probably would be stretching things a bit :P

just read a pretty nice list of italian new wave myself. i think gaznevada might be a little niche for pfork though?

I can't get past chutes too narrow at only 26. That's #1 in my opinion.

this list would be 100x better if they left in grunge

I guess whatshisname lived in Portland during Chutes Too Narrow, but the band recorded and lived in Albaquerque during Oh, Inverted World. It's inclusion doesn't really make much sense.

Elliott Smith at #1 is the correct answer. Good representation from Modest Mouse in the top 10, and nice inclusion of The Wipers. i think excluding grunge makes sense, pre and post Nirvana are two very different scenes and soundscapes, Smith being the prime example of that...

weird pan of the new clipping album today, which only gets to any negative criticism in the last few lines.

As long as it generates ad revenue and clicks.

which reviews of clipping albums are renowned for

131,946 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4ZsUDJWcQ

The weirdest thing about that review was that it's based on the idea that a rap group doing afrofuturism is an incredibly out there idea. It even mentions P-funk, as if half the Parliament albums weren't space musicals.

that's not even in his top 250 most watched videos xp

i was referring to the idea of pitchfork doing a "Best italian albums" list compared to one that has BTS Modest Mouse and Elliott in their top 10. of course they review weirdo stuff; i wasn't debating that.

i didn't notice the comment about clipping before i posted that until just now.

i like conde nast pitchfork. so much content. lists. i like this http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1286-slacking-about-maybe-reviewing-the-new-lady-gaga-single/

Honestly, that felt more like good ole fashioned turn of the Century Pitchfork, except that it would have been published as an actual review instead of in a separate section, and it would have been a fictionalized conversation written by one person.

RIP Brent DiCrescenzo

IlXoorrrr goodness:

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22255-caetano-veloso/

I loved that review, though the standouts of the first wave of tropicalia records are the first Gilberto Gil and Panes et Circenses. Still, listened to Tropicalia after reading, and yeah, it did sound better than normal. Oh, Irene wasn't made in London, btw. I think the review meant to link to the third s/t, A Little More Blue.

First off, ask yourself why you want to book a festival. There are tons of festivals, more than anyone needs. What will make yours different? Meditate on this. Think about Altamont.

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1242-how-to-organize-your-own-music-festival/

If you book Kanye West, make sure to get all the stuff on his rider.

Am I the only one who thinks that piece is ... an enormous conflict of interest?

kind of amazed he rented only one Porta Potty for his first festival, an event that attracted 1000 people to his parents' farm.

Like when Brandon worked there and Pitchfork sponsored the festival, Basilica was obviously part and parcel of the editorial vision of the site and their events

But now that he's left, that piece is basically "Dear 3 million Twitter followers, my cool friend puts on a regional festival"

a conflict of interest? at Pitchfork?!?

*clutches pearls*

journalism ethics is for gen x, man, here's the oral history of 285 kent

i think he accidentally copy and pasted the cover letter for his job application to AEG Live into his article submission email.

point missed, Whiney. Pfork is wall-to-wall conflicts of interest and has been for years

Once all of this is set, you’ll need to promote the festival on social media. You may also want to organize a street team to hang up physical flyers. Even with the internet, these are still really useful. As the festival date gets closer, switch up your promotional tactics a bit so people still pay attention. If you use the same approach each time, it’s easy for people to tune it out. See if any of the artists are up to tweeting the info or doing interviews. Speaking of which, if you have the money, you may want to hire a publicist.

lol great advice.

who is this article for? DIY/punks who want to put on a show but don't know how to deal w all the hospitality riders independent bands are known for? professional promoters who are buying shit for Kanye and yet need to be told to hire a publicist?

as a publicist who works with music festival, let me tell you that many people/companies do not heed that advice!

which? catering or publicist

both!

NB: I am not defending this article I haven't read.
*reads article*

okay, to state the obvious: that article is not meant as a how-to for actual potential festival bookers. it's schtick meant for people who would discuss booking a festival over brunch, take a few meetings, get in touch with someone else's cousin who works for Bowery and then let the whole mess fizzle away when a "very important backer" doesn't come through. More to the point, yes, it's an ad for dude-who-was-a-staff-writer-at-Pitchfork's music festival.

i lolled at "hire a good sound person".

I mean, I'm not a promoter or a publicist, but as a guy who covered a mid-sized music scene for many years, let me tell you that ALMOST ZERO promoters, event organizers, venue owners or bands know how to properly promote a show. Most could learn *something* from this.

But yes, it's a weird ad for Basilica.

i lolled at "hire a good sound person".

― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:44 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you mean "Also, hire a good sound person." a sentence brought in like a last minute idea. helpfully, the paragraph this kicks off really explores what to consider when hiring said good sound person:

Also, hire a good sound person. If you don’t know a sound person or anyone who can help with tech riders, and you’re starting to get nervous about all of this, then hire a production company. You can stick to your role as “curator,” and they’ll do all the other stuff.

i mean why not just hire someone to do the entire thing? you obviously have the money to throw around.

Maybe you’re the person who hasn’t quite made up their mind up about Led Zeppelin. That’s fine but fair warning, the band is the apotheosis of overstuffed arena rock, from private jets to strong-arming managers to personal excess in every musical, sexual, and philosophical front. Lester Bangs wanted to chuck pies at them in defense of Truth and/or Iggy Pop. Hammer of the Gods depicted them as decadent goons and tried to make that seem admirable. Yo La Tengo’s “Sugarcube” video, without even needing to name them, reduced their lyrical and aesthetic sensibilities to an interest in “where the hobbits dwell.” If you’re a young music head who shuns rockism, appropriation, and womanizing as loathsome retrograde traits to be avoided, being into Zep means your faves don’t come more problematic.

...

From a present-day perspective, where big-time arena-filling rock has settled on Muse, Foo Fighters, and 5 Seconds of Summer, diving headlong into the ’69/’71 timeframe of the band that most necessitated the obnoxious yet fitting phrase “Rock Gods” might otherwise feel like history homework.

this reads like a weird, outdated framing of how people think of led zeppelin. it feels like they have been accepted as cool rock canon now? like lester bangs, hammer of the gods, and "sugarcube" are all very old perspectives for arguing that led zeppelin are uncool or avoided for being "problematic."

Yeah, that part didn't sit well with me, either, but I will concede that the review (which i thought was well-written) did actually make me want to buy the new remaster (and I have two copies of the original version).

led zeppelin is a good band, in fact i'm looking into having a LZ reunion play at the Sh@kedown Street '16, a new music festival/block party i'm putting on at my house

if anyone knows a good sound guy lmk i know led zep as i like to call them are a bit particular about their stage sound

led zep is playing at my house, my house