pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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xp to "dreaming" being disco blondie -- it's the dancing queen rip does that count

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 25 August 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link

Does anyone really, really, really like "What's Going On"? I've always felt that it's the r&b counterpart of the equally boring "Imagine". The message does all the heavy lifting, while the music is kind of a snore. Feel like it's been cruising on pure inertia for quite some time.

Darin, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm pretty sure everybody likes it. but we need to move on now. this list is so yesterday.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:38 (seven years ago) link

Music in Imagine is amazing. Whats Goin On also great bar a couple tracks, great sound.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link

"what's going on" would make my top 5 or top 10. it's no donnie joe emerson though

brimstead, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link

I like "What's Going On" (more so than "Imagine," which stopped being interesting to me as soon as the subversive kick of "no religion" wore off for me) but to affirm your point, I suppose, I don't feel all that passionate about defending it.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

maybe I've been de-sensitized to both songs. I dunno. I get fidgety when I hear political songs.

Darin, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link

I get fidgety when I watch political movies, so that I get.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link

all songs are political

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link

my favorite political song is "hallogallo"

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:54 (seven years ago) link

'Inner City Blues' and 'Mercy Mercy Me' are the better choices from that album.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link

yep

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:28 (seven years ago) link

my favorite Gaye these days is In Our Lifetime.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:28 (seven years ago) link

a really, really good record

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 August 2016 02:33 (seven years ago) link

distant lover's my pick for the 70's

Heez, Friday, 26 August 2016 02:38 (seven years ago) link

Trouble Man soundtrack and I Want You are my go-to Marvins. because i'm really dope.

scott seward, Friday, 26 August 2016 03:22 (seven years ago) link

I Want You is clearly the best thing he ever did.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:03 (seven years ago) link

clearly

brimstead, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link

What's Going On has a very special sound, but the lyrics do have a slightly bullshitty vagueness to them. Somehow Inner City Blues doesn't bother me in the same way. However my favorite track on the record is God is Love, strangely.

No way, 'God is Love' totally rules.

The live set that's on the deluxe edition of What's Going On, generally speaking, makes a sick joke out of the studio version.

Austin, Friday, 26 August 2016 04:50 (seven years ago) link

This Spotify playlist is ALL dollar bin stuff!

"Songs in the key of Donnie and Joe Emerson: Music that Inspired the Fruitland Recordings"

https://open.spotify.com/user/lightintheatticrecords/playlist/3vVsfGaJQMl7OBmJajg2rg

brimstead, Friday, 26 August 2016 05:26 (seven years ago) link

some measure of commitment to their position as arbiter of the canon or whatever

Apart from having fun with lists and producing content for a website the key to these lists is that if they are accepted they assert the publishers "cultural capital" or smth right?

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

niels, Friday, 26 August 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

the expanded version of What's Going On with all the extra tracks/demos is pretty amazing, I love that lush but still gritty sound. Oddly I don't unreservedly love any of Gaye's albums all the way through, I still feel like I would prefer to cherrypick tracks from here and there. Maybe cuz that way I still get the full length of Got to Give It Up (his best song)

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

I know that's a very basic point, but surely it's the primary underlying motive behind such a list, discussing and engaging with the cannon and your position in relation to it

Probably. Sight & Sound and Rolling Stone want to guard it, maybe incrementally move it along, Spin in 1988 wanted to upend it--which can be embarrassing if you don't have anything interesting to offer as a replacement; their list was pretty good, though. Pitchfork, I don't know well enough to comment.

clemenza, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

the best track on what's goin on is what's happenin' brother. "will our ballclub win the pennant? do you think they stand a chance? and tell me, friend, how in the world have you been?"

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 28 August 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9932-the-50-best-indie-rock-albums-of-the-pacific-northwest/

Strange list. Lots of good albums, but "the folks who made this list chose to exclude the “grunge” era from the tally".

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 08:57 (seven years ago) link

Full list:

1. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
2. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out
3. The Microphones - The Glow, Pt. 2
4. Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
5. Built to Spill - There’s Nothing Wrong With Love
6. Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
7. Elliott Smith - XO
8. Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica
9. Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism
10. Bikini Kill - Pussy Whipped
11. Beat Happening - Jamboree
12. The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
13. Built to Spill - Keep It Like a Secret
14. Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
15. Destroyer - Streethawk: A Seduction
16. Japandroids - Celebration Rock
17. Sleater-Kinney - All Hands on the Bad One
18. The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
19. The Postal Service - Give Up
20. Wipers - Youth of America
21. Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You
22. Dead Moon - In the Graveyard
23. Neko Case - Furnace Room Lullaby
24. The Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic
25. The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine
26. The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
27. Death Cab for Cutie - We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes
28. Bratmobile - Pottymouth
29. Beck - One Foot in the Grave
30. Heatmiser - Mic City Sons
31. The Microphones - It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water
32. The Halo Benders - The Rebels Not In
33. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time
34. The Decemberists - Picaresque
35. Mirah - You Think It's Like This But Really It's Like This
36. Pedro the Lion - Control
37. Gun Outfit - Possession Sound
38. The Softies - It’s Love
39. Milk Music - Cruise Your Illusion
40. Pretty Girls Make Graves - The New Romance
41. Lync - These Are Not Fall Colors
42. Tiny Vipers - Life on Earth
43. White Lung - Sorry
44. Quasi - Featuring "Birds"
45. The Posies - Frosting on the Beater
46. The Spinanes - Arches and Aisles
47. Youth Lagoon - The Year of Hibernation
48. Damien Jurado - Maraqopa
49. Excuse 17 - Such Friends Are Dangerous
50. Gaze - Mitsumeru

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:43 (seven years ago) link

would rather see a list from... say.. Italy. or some other relatively unknown indie location. the mediterranean southwest of Italy probably would be stretching things a bit :P

Ludo, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:49 (seven years ago) link

just read a pretty nice list of italian new wave myself. i think gaznevada might be a little niche for pfork though?

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 11:05 (seven years ago) link

I can't get past chutes too narrow at only 26. That's #1 in my opinion.

carly reagan jepsen (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link

this list would be 100x better if they left in grunge

marcos, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link

I guess whatshisname lived in Portland during Chutes Too Narrow, but the band recorded and lived in Albaquerque during Oh, Inverted World. It's inclusion doesn't really make much sense.

Darin, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link

Elliott Smith at #1 is the correct answer. Good representation from Modest Mouse in the top 10, and nice inclusion of The Wipers. i think excluding grunge makes sense, pre and post Nirvana are two very different scenes and soundscapes, Smith being the prime example of that...

flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 16:50 (seven years ago) link

weird pan of the new clipping album today, which only gets to any negative criticism in the last few lines.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

As long as it generates ad revenue and clicks.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link

which reviews of clipping albums are renowned for

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link

131,946 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4ZsUDJWcQ

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link

The weirdest thing about that review was that it's based on the idea that a rap group doing afrofuturism is an incredibly out there idea. It even mentions P-funk, as if half the Parliament albums weren't space musicals.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link

that's not even in his top 250 most watched videos xp

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

i was referring to the idea of pitchfork doing a "Best italian albums" list compared to one that has BTS Modest Mouse and Elliott in their top 10. of course they review weirdo stuff; i wasn't debating that.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link

i didn't notice the comment about clipping before i posted that until just now.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link

i like conde nast pitchfork. so much content. lists. i like this http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1286-slacking-about-maybe-reviewing-the-new-lady-gaga-single/

flappy bird, Friday, 9 September 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link

Honestly, that felt more like good ole fashioned turn of the Century Pitchfork, except that it would have been published as an actual review instead of in a separate section, and it would have been a fictionalized conversation written by one person.

MarkoP, Saturday, 10 September 2016 00:08 (seven years ago) link

RIP Brent DiCrescenzo

Number None, Saturday, 10 September 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

IlXoorrrr goodness:

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22255-caetano-veloso/

scott seward, Sunday, 11 September 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link

I loved that review, though the standouts of the first wave of tropicalia records are the first Gilberto Gil and Panes et Circenses. Still, listened to Tropicalia after reading, and yeah, it did sound better than normal. Oh, Irene wasn't made in London, btw. I think the review meant to link to the third s/t, A Little More Blue.

Frederik B, Sunday, 11 September 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link

First off, ask yourself why you want to book a festival. There are tons of festivals, more than anyone needs. What will make yours different? Meditate on this. Think about Altamont.

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1242-how-to-organize-your-own-music-festival/

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link

If you book Kanye West, make sure to get all the stuff on his rider.

a (waterface), Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

Am I the only one who thinks that piece is ... an enormous conflict of interest?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link


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