ok, but even as a mis-reading of the true story (as if something like this should be wholly and accurately depicted anyway) it wasn't exactly safe as a subject matter in the first place, which is why I thought it was a weird word to attach to this.
Koreeda has rarely done a naked attack on societal norms - or he does it via the family as being a slow suffocating enabler to quiet brutality but he never quite gets to state it as that. xxp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
Happy to be the arsehole as this is a deeply wrong claim to make - what is 'safe' about that film, which depicts child abandonment? Koreeda's films are deceptive shades of light these days. Maybe there is something settled but I don't think he is complacent, I'm finding him at some kind of refinement stage.
Yeah. I saw Still Waiting again the other day and admired how the parts came together. Maybe that's bland filmmaking idk
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:28 (seven years ago) link
er Still Walking
I've seen 9 or 10 of his films and I recently got Love And Peace on disc. Love Exposure is the only thing I loved (and I REALLY LOVED it) but Cold Fish and Exte are quite fun. Guilty Of Romance is quite lovely looking.
I generally hear that the Japanese film industry is in dire shape right now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
Nothing bland about Still Walking. It's about a domestic setting, of course, but there are some brutal scenes in that movie.
― jmm, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link
I like Still Walking, quite a lot. I even kinda like Air Doll. But I don't think they live up to the promise of his earlier works.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link
it's called Nobody Knows because the film is an indictment of society. the mother stops being a factor pretty early on.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link
anyway if I could start with ONE movie by SS which one should it be?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
Love Exposure by miles. Don't be daunted by the length it moves along so well. I can't recommend it highly enough.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
Have only seen Cold Fish, which was good but much too long, and Tokyo Tribe, which I found insufferable and gave up on after about twenty minutes - total cultural disconnect.
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 05:48 (seven years ago) link
geez, my starting w/ Love Exposure was a disaster...
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 07:24 (seven years ago) link
I really found that to be pretty ignorable, tho it wasn't helped by literally everyone else I know freaking out about it.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link
I didn't like Tokyo Tribe at all. The rapping just wasn't good enough and the music rarely carried it. Were any of them actual rappers? Doesn't seem like it. It would have been better if the rapping was really good but the acting was a bit rough. Perhaps real rappers would insist on their own lyrics and there'd be too many writing credits? I dunno.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:04 (seven years ago) link
I like the bad guy in Cold Fish, how his confidence and initial appearance of generosity leave the father totally emasculated. I like the fish stores. I might have gotten into it without all the dwelling on gore, which is pretty uninteresting to me.
― jmm, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 12:20 (seven years ago) link
I kinda liked Tokyo Tribe :) Not as much as Why Don't You Play in Hell, but I thought it was funny, and the sets were spectacular. But the rapping and the music wasn't that good, no.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 13:02 (seven years ago) link
Some of the sets were good. If I like Love And Peace I'll probably get an American copy of Why Don't You Play in Hell, for some reason that skipped region 2 but was released lots of other places.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
Nice to see some Sono talk... favourite of his recent-ish prolific overload was The Whispering Star which is fantastic but much more austere than usual, came across as kind of Ozu through a Tarkovsky/Strugatsky brothers filter.
― alb indys, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
He hates Ozu
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
Or at least isn't a fan but despises his influence.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Sono's pretty funny. He says in a Q&A that his plan for Lords of Chaos was to do it like 90210, and that audiences should engage with Love Exposure like pro wrestling.
― jmm, Saturday, 27 August 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
Love And Peace is like a kids film, it's so cutesy I was welling up a couple of times. The sewer hobo with the discarded animals and toys reminds me of Babe: Pig In The City. It's pretty good but I think there could have been a tighter cut.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 August 2016 13:36 (seven years ago) link
I adored Love Exposure when I saw it a few years ago, would be interesting to see if it holds up
― imago, Sunday, 28 August 2016 13:42 (seven years ago) link
I watched some of it last night (no way I can get through this film in one sitting). I love it but I think I love the first half more, with the multiple converging intro chapters, complex cross-cutting, and endless Bolero. It becomes simpler and more linear in the second half, although I wouldn't necessarily change anything.
― jmm, Sunday, 28 August 2016 13:57 (seven years ago) link
Looked through the available trailers of the ones I haven't seen. Shinjuku Swan, Tag and Virgin Psychics look like far more commercial films but Whispering Star looks more "indie" than anything he's done in a while. Anti-Porno will probably be similar.
Had no idea he married Megumi Kagurazaka.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 August 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link
Eureka is releasing Tag. I think I'll give this one a miss. Don't understand the fascination for highschool.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Every now and then I remember the lyrics in Love & Peace about Tokyo Olympics. Not sure if it was supposed to be funny but I thought the way he sings it is pretty funny.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
Tag is really good, though. And not actually a high school movie at all.
― Cherish, Friday, 1 September 2017 08:12 (six years ago) link
Just finished watching all five of the 2015 Sonos. They run the gamut, from the almost great Tag to the unbearable Love and Peace. To celebrate my accomplishment, I think I’ll drop my Sono top ten here:
1 Love Exposure2 Strange Circus3 Himizu4 Guilty of Romance5 Tag6 Tokyo Tribe7 Into a Dream8 Hazard9 Suicide Club10 The Whispering Star
― Cherish, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-xLV7NlHN8Not sure what's going on with this, both an amazon tv series (japan only?) and a movie
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
Okay, the tv series was cut into a movie version for festivals
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 22 April 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT7DeuUvAxc
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 10:53 (two years ago) link
Haven't seen any of his stuff since Love & Peace
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
been stoked for this one for ages :D
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:34 (two years ago) link
the Cage Trilogy concludes
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:36 (two years ago) link
I didn't know about it until a few days ago
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:37 (two years ago) link
the last Sono film, The Forest Of Love iirc, was great btw
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link
That was a tv show that got edited into a movie too? I just seen a trailer with a really silly english dub, I had no idea people still did dubs of this kind of film
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:46 (two years ago) link
oh i didn’t know there was an ilx sono thread
i owned a copy of suicide club in hs and it was def the most fucked up movie i owned
i loved antiporno and need to see everything else he’s done
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 11:52 (two years ago) link
Cold Fish is more fucked up than Suicide Club but he's made so many I haven't seen.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link
since it's one of the best movies ever, noriko's dinner table is def my top pick. so funny and sad and raw and intense.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link
It's funny because back then I thought that hired family stuff was just Sono's brilliant dystopian vision but it's real
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
well, kinda:https://newrepublic.com/article/160595/new-yorker-japan-rent-family-fabricated
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
So was the Herzog documentary bunk too?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
haven't seen it so I have wondered about that. I would like to think that herzog's BS radar is pretty strong. wonder if he's ever commented on it?
seems safe to say that it isn't nearly as widespread a phenomenon as a lot of people in the US, etc. think tho.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link