even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

Those punchably awful neo-Victorian fucks are at it again. For those not willing to read what amounts to a self-righteous Yelp review padded out to the length of a Victorian serialized novel, they were denied entry to a garden attraction that does not permit visitors "in costume." Clearly, a massive human rights violation. As a friend of a friend points out, sadly Mr. Victorian did not bring his gramophone or wax cylinders, so we have to rely entirely on their account of the conversation with staff, which does not exactly have the ring of truth.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:25 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
people that YELP are scumbags

this isn't really quiddities of the ruling class, these people, insufferable though they are, are poor.

though hats off to the butchart gardens for denying them admittance!

dalliances and fancies of the bourgeoisie

ehhh this is the thread that has had the most extended discussion of the chrismans, figured it was fair game here. also i know poverty takes many forms but if you can manage all the frills and vests, and go around giving talks on the history of the bicycle.... i dunno. the poverty of the bohemian freelancer i guess.

in their storytelling people only bark, spit, or sneer, never 'speak'

it's exhausting

ehhh this is the thread that has had the most extended discussion of the chrismans, figured it was fair game here. also i know poverty takes many forms but if you can manage all the frills and vests, and go around giving talks on the history of the bicycle.... i dunno. the poverty of the bohemian freelancer i guess.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:09 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Typical reactionary argument -- "Oh if you're so poor then maybe you should give up the bustles!"

in their storytelling people only bark, spit, or sneer, never 'speak'

well, they do:

"You know what the worst part is?" I asked, leaning against his support. "The absolute worst part is that every time something like this happens, I hear the voices —a whole chorus of voices— of every single person who's told me they wish they could do something outside the mainstream, but they feel like they can't. This sort of thing is exactly why they feel that they can't. I hate it." My tears started flowing more heavily.

"I know —I understand," Gabriel told me. "But listen: we are the way we are because it's who we want to be, but we do it for those people, too. Not for that sort—" He pointed back towards the gate. "We do it to show people who want to be themselves that it is possible to be an individual, and that people don't just have to conform and squish themselves into the mold of what society dictates that they should be. That's exactly the sort of firm principle we were trying to explain we represent." He squeezed my shoulder. "And we don't back down."

There is a pride in that.

On the ride back to town, I quietly recited Rudyard Kipling's poem, "If":

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more like "Whiff" .... of b.o.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/realestate/an-unexpected-route-to-williamsburg.html

She decided to find out what $400,000 would buy elsewhere in Brooklyn. “I am a person who can make a lot out of nothing,”

who decorated in a contemporary Scandinavian style

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At a one-bedroom in Crown Heights, she realized how far the neighborhood was from work and friends. With some subway trains out of service that day, the trip was lengthy and confusing.

i'm not gonna click on this but

Postcards From the Hajj

Amid two million other pilgrims, a Times correspondent performed the sacred rites of the hajj. Although helicopter rides and other V.I.P. perks eased the process a little.

the luxe hajj

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtOg8K8XgAARBOJ.jpg:small

not to be confused with that other asshole dog

Forget ‘Pat the Bunny.’ My Child Is Reading Hemingway.

Alice Hemmer’s favorite part of Jack Kerouac’s novel “On the Road” doesn’t involve the drug-addled cross-country road trips, encounters with prostitutes in Mexico or wild parties in Manhattan. Alice, who is 5 and lives in a Chicago suburb, likes the part when Sal Paradise eats ice cream and apple pie whenever he feels hungry.

She hasn’t actually read Kerouac’s 320-page, amphetamine-fueled, stream-of-consciousness classic. (Alice is a precocious reader, but not that precocious.) Instead, her father read her a heavily abridged and sanitized illustrated version of “On the Road” designed for six- to 12-year-old children.

“She didn’t love it,” said her father, Kurt Hemmer, an English professor at Harper College and scholar of the Beat Generation, who noted that even some college students failed to appreciate the novel’s subtle spiritual message. “To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

I mean this is dumb but I read plenty of abridged versions of classic novels when I was a kid

we have the pride & prejudice board book that someone gave us but it's basically just a counting book using aspects of P&P for the things you count. it doesn't try to summarize the plot or anything.

i still know the plots of any number of "great books" solely through classics illustrated

http://www.dinneralovestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Great-Illustrated-Classics-1024x865.jpg

I had a few of these. My mother called them "cheaty books."

i think all the books you guys are talking about differ from what's being discussed in that article pretty significantly

I was specifically responding to

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

kid's version of On The Road is probably an improvement tbh

My mom was one of those people with inordinate faith in "classics" being some kind of brain pill. I think it partially ruined reading for me.

not sure if this fits better itt or somewhere else but hey it's a nytimes puff piece on megyn kelly, ughhh http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/fashion/megyn-kelly-fox-fashion.html

“To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

jesus, more like you have to be 16.

English professors who specialize in Beatnik books. one of the sadder things i can think of. you only have one life on this earth.

this is why we need more original children's literature not these cynical IP cash grabs

I think there are a few people working on that

Not quid-ag, but this story about a rift between Dickens societies made me smile (and has good photos).

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/nyregion/a-dickensian-divide-but-united-in-holiday-cheer.html

is wanting H Clinton to be elected to ANYTHING a quiddity?

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-new-york-times-s-boner-for-a-hillary-clinton-mayora-1790904716

don't see how it could be given that it's an extremely widespread sentiment outside the ruling class

really? for her to be reality-show mayor?

you said "anything"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/weddings/165-years-of-wedding-announcements

ON LIKE DONKEY KONG

a four-week series

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/magazine/should-you-report-a-green-card-marriage.html

But it is the nature of the nation-state arrangement that states have a right to regulate who crosses their borders. You may disagree with one feature or another of our system, but over all it is fairer than many others.

ha!

And if someone abuses it by the sort of fraud you have described, they are not only breaking the law, they are jumping a queue that millions of other people have formed by applying properly and then waiting their turn.

this could only have been written by someone completely ignorant of how US immigration works.

or the ICE!

the other ethicist piece from last week makes me wanna kill

Our daughter has been dating a young man for five years. She is a senior at a public university. Her boyfriend has completed two years of community college and one semester of private college and recently tried to transfer to her public university. He owes the private college tens of thousands of dollars. The private college won’t release his transcript without full payment, so he couldn’t provide the transcript to the public university, and thus it denied him final admission.

Three months ago, our daughter asked us to help. We offered to give him $10,000, which he was reluctant to accept but then agreed to after our urging and reassurances. Two and a half months went by as we waited for him to raise the rest of the money and negotiate terms with the private college and its collection agency. However, two weeks ago, we withdrew our offer after discussing the issue with our friends and family, who strongly warned us against such a financial entanglement.

My wife, friends and family feel certain that we did the right thing. Their reasoning is that creating a financially dependent relationship in which Mom and Dad’s money can be counted on whenever it is needed is a bad precedent to set for our daughter. Others have said that her boyfriend will eventually be grateful that we did this: If he finds a way to pay off the loan and go to the university, he will value it more and be more proud of himself. Further, my wife says that my daughter should be doing more herself to help him rather than asking us for the money.

I agree with all that, and yet I really feel for her boyfriend as a person, a young man, who has had to deal with many family misfortunes not of his making. He has paid for all his community college himself. He screwed up by going to the private college and not making payments. I don’t see him as the right person for my daughter in the long term. We’ve never felt really close to him. And yet I feel as though we handled this poorly and there may still be another option. What are your thoughts? Name Withheld

It’s worth noting the background problem here: This young man was drawn into debt he can’t afford by the private college that he attended. Taking advantage of vulnerable people — in this case, a young man with ambitions and neither money nor family support — is a paradigm of exploitation. Nor is the college’s decision to withhold his transcript entirely rational, because that reduces the probability that the college will be paid in the end. Our president-elect has said he wants to help with student debt, but the plans he has described so far do not suggest a program that will solve this young man’s problem, and recent Republican orthodoxy runs against plans for college-debt refinancing or forgiveness. I doubt, in short, that there’s relief for him in sight.

None of this is your fault, of course. But I agree that you’ve handled this situation poorly. Making an offer and then withdrawing it was unkind — worse, surely, than never having made the offer. And I’m puzzled at the notion that “creating a financially dependent relationship” is a “bad precedent” to set for your daughter. She hasn’t proposed that she should be able to rely on you whenever she needs to for the rest of her life. She’s asking for help for the man I assume she’s planning to make a life with, so that he can get on with his education. With the right start in their life together, in fact, they’re much less likely to have to ask for help in future.

But the rest of your circle probably wouldn’t feel as they do if your daughter were the one in trouble. I suspect that they’ve misdescribed their objection: What they really think is that it’s not worth investing in a young man if he isn’t going to end up in your family. That’s not a crazy thought, especially given your doubts about him. So I suggest you tell your daughter the truth. And if she stops speaking to you for a while, you can reassure your wife and friends that she won’t be asking for money from you again anytime soon.

This was an answer hiding in plain sight. The Muzaffarpur area produces about 70 percent of India’s lychee harvest, and around the affected villages, “you really couldn’t go 100 meters without bumping into a lychee orchard,” Dr. Srikantiah said, referring to a distance of 330 feet.

lol

Heaven forbid Americans have to parse metric.

We speak Murican here

surprised it didn't say 'a distance roughly the length of a football field'

not sure it's worth the link but Travel section's "36 Hours" feature yesterday was Brooklyn SOUTH OF WILLIAMSBURG!

loool