Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

except for the classic, vintage lineup's last couple albums. technical ecstasy, anyone? anyone???

There's a thread in the archive on this very subject.

Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath

Taking Sides: Led Zeppelin Vol. 4 vs. Black Sabbath Vol.4

Anyways one of the best love songs of all time is "Sweet Leaf."

robert christgau

yeah, he just made my case. if there were a meter for classic, the red part would go 0 +1 +2 BLACK SABBATH.

My favorite all time UNDER-mentioned Sab songs: "Hand of Doom" "A National Acrobat" "The Thrill Of It All" "Junior's Eyes"

-- steve hise (shistee...), October 27th, 2004.

Sweat Loaf comes ridiculously close to bettering it though.

OK, unless you're really not into heavy rock or metal. Is this the case for you Myonga?

[I couldn't believe that Sabbath even deserved the classic/dud treatment, because I couldn't believe that ANYONE considered 'em duds. I was gonna post an are-you-kidding? reply immediately after my "DUD" assessment. But just before I did, I read Xgau's little blurb about "drug-impaired reaction time" and thought it would be HIGH-larious to wait awhile before changing my opinion, then finally changing it FOR REAL, and then blaming my long delay on...yep, you guessed it! It might've been funnier if I'd waited a day or two, but I've always been terribly impatient.]

Anyway, again, CLASSIC through first six albums; and even the inferior Dio and Gillan lineups produced a great LP between 'em.

Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 27th, 2004.

Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.

-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), October 28th, 2004.

Never heard Technical Ecstacy, but Never Say Die is grebt for the:

- Cover art
- Title track
- The start of 'Air Dance'

The rest is decent, listenable stuff, just not as good as what came before (and it's got synths, not that that's necessarily a bad thing).

Please someone tell me they know the two songs on "The Ozzman Cometh" comp: "Black Sabbath" ('70 Basement Tapes) and "War Pigs" (1970 Basement Tapes).

Both of these songs are clear evidence that BIMBLE IS MORE GOTH THAN YOU.

Um there's actually more than two basement tapes on that comp (if you get the 2xcd version). Don't forget the awesome versions of "Fairies Wear Boots" and "Behind the Wall of Sleep".

I love the production of those tunes and all the alternate lyrics and verses. Total godhead.

yeah I will have to get the 2xCD version.

A goth's work is never done.

is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.

yeah that's what it is, dude.

That...

Just... No. Ugh.

<3 cindy und bert <3

Dehumanize is good too people.

heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen

Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.

Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.

I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

You've got to be kidding me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE54T00420090531

Advantage: Iommi.

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

that should infact be a poll

poll w/ one option

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

you click on where it says new poll
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Poll/EnterPollInformationControllerServlet?boardid=41

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Deciblog has a good take:

http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=306741

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

hmm. Sorry the link didn't copy correctly

https://img.tmstor.es/blacksabbath/66276-fb02dbf164975e0193063b3874665474.jpg

This is the vinyl (read: overpriced and sonically inferior) version of a CD box that came out in 2016.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71TVIyDV3ML.jpg

You can trust Sabbath to keep on milking it

Paranoid 5LP Super Deluxe first two LPs feature the original album plus a Quadraphonic Mix.
The collection's final three LPs mark the official vinyl debut of two 1970 live performances. https://t.co/RxFLfHNSPm pic.twitter.com/5vjBkSLuPl

— BlackSabbath (@BlackSabbath) August 21, 2020

I'd like to hear the quadrophonic mix. But not enough to pay so much cash

I've heard the quad mix and it's groovy, but don't really see the point of "1974 Quad Mix of the album folded down to stereo". One of the things I dig about it is how it adds a bit of psychedelia: a guitars solo circles around the room, etc. I don't listen to 5.1 much but tend to prefer the "gimmicky" ones a bit more than those that just add a bit of tasteful atmosphere, though. (IIRC the quad mix was released as a 5.1 disc on one of the other numerous reissues of this record?)

Never been much of a Dr. Martens guy, but… I kinda want this:

https://www.drmartens.com/uk/en_gb/collaborations/black-sabbath

https://i.imgur.com/KsVteid.png

Lovely lads

Bill Ward's tights on the cover of Sabotage were the beginning of the end. Or maybe the end of the beginning.

so here are some of my favorite versions of the black sabbath song "planet caravan". a singular tune in sabbath's catalog, yes?

rondellus
adeline
the anomanon
big blood
novilunio
darkside
moon duo
hula hi-fi

any other versions you rate highly, lmk. i guess there's mercury rev's version, but it doesn't seem to add much to the original?

oh and the lyrics to the early alternate version are _so bad_. thank god they floyded it up some.

Yeah PC is a singular vibe in their canon. I feel like they tried to revisit it to some extent via “solitiude...” I will always remember the first time I heard it, climbing up the stairs to my cousins room in his big house

I'll post this again, my attempt to make Sabbath a weird psych band

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6KAiYTobROEmgOk0uDMQJh?si=n_qOrOp4ThSewb2U_Z3k1Q&utm_source=copy-link

Supertzar? I guess it…doesn’t have drums

I guess by the time of Vol. 4, the Sabbath ballads like "Changes" were playing to the crowd more than the highly introverted quiet interludes on the earlier albums.

By contrast, "Planet Caravan" doesn't even sound like someone singing to themselves, it sounds like an unconscious act.

Picturing Ossie in the spotlight with a grand piano

"Here's a little number we like to call 'God Is Dead?'"

“This next one is the first track off our new album…”

that Moon Duo cover of "Planet Caravan" totally rules

I trust everyone has seen the live in Paris 1970 footage on youtube by now. Iron Man on that jesus fucking christ.

I’m sure there’s a thread about this very thing but the differential between the cover of Sabotage (aggressively terrible) vs the content (absolutely rad and on any given day could be my fave) is stark

I don't know what you're talking about LOL

https://dx72k0ec4onep.cloudfront.net/product/1616/282536311478247228-640x640-5414939920837.jpg

Home in the skyyy-iyyyy

Bill Ward did not know they were shooting the cover that day.

Ozzy looks great though.

6’ 6” in heels

has ilx ever polled black sabbath album covers?

for the record those tights are rad. versus who's the guy on the left in chino pants? is that geezer butler? dud. i mean they all look awful next to ozzy of course but bill is the second best looking guy on that cover, he's got this weird elfin energy that sums up sabbath's aesthetic really well

btw ums i have enjoyed that weird psych band sabbath comp you put together for... i don't know. probably more than a decade, now? but planet caravan is still in a class by itself.

Supertzar? I guess it…doesn’t have drums

― calstars, Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Great to be back

Yeah, that's Geezer in the chinos and the giant ass cross, which is typically Tony's look.

Heels or no heels, I've stood next to Ozzy, and based on that, the other guys in Sabbath must be fucking dwarves. I'm not a giant, — I'm 6'2" — and he's supposedly 5'10" but I think he's at least two inches shorter than that. (He was wearing old-man velcro sneakers at the time.)

He might well be shrinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6GTf6rOepQ

Jazz Sabbath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcr708w1HY

oh yes

This is Geezer Butler- he wrote this!

Jizz Sabbath

sorry i think you will find the true story on their Bandcamp page:

Jazz Sabbath (1968) were considered to be at the forefront of the new English jazz movement. Their self-titled debut album would be released on 13 Feb 1970, but on Feb 12th founding member and pianist Milton Keanes was hospitalised with a massive heart attack; leaving him fighting for his life. The record company shelved the album and cancelled the scheduled release out of financial uncertainty of releasing a debut album from a band without its musical leader.

When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence.

The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.

Black Challops

Lmao James

That version of Iron Man is pretty awesome

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/feb/08/black-sabbath-ballet-to-be-staged-in-birmingham

Supernaut is their most funky

https://i.imgur.com/oKqx0Dd.jpeg
Was it illusion ???

Supernaut is their most funky

The Wizard, maybe. But Supernaut fucking kills.

the coda of Sympton of the Universe is a good candidate too, in fact that whole track is funky!