Who among us does not like Nascar?

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I don't dislike NASCAR culture. But a) I've never been a car person, and b) to me, an event -- at least on TV -- just looks like little things going around in a circle forever, and since I'm not one of the guys controlling one of them with a joystick/controller, it just seems really boring.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I just threw up on my desk a little bit.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really care one way or the other about Nascar.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

It's very wasteful. All that rubber and all that gas, evaporated on every Sunday. Just to get the driver back to where he started three hundred times.

The thing that I don't like the most about NASCAR is that it's so microgoverned. Dale Junior getting points knocked off his standings just because he accidentally said "shit" on network television. What the fuck does that have to do with how well he performs in the "sport"? It'd be like Tim Duncan getting ten points taken off his last game because he criticized NBA officials afterward.

Say what you will about Bud Selig, but at least you don't have some family sitting on top of baseball, making and changing all the rules at a moment's whim.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't like Nascar, me. Nope.
Nor any other so-called moto-sports, nah.
Foot-, basket-, volley- & handball are all miles bettah -- no, miles-per-hour bettah!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Auto-racing generally bores me but NASCAR isn't the worst of oval track racing.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

my dad's a huge fan, his favorite sport after college football. i never cared for it as much - i went to a couple of races with him when i was younger but they were just so long. i like drag racing and horse racing more. token passing interest now, enough to hold a conversation somewhat even if it's just me asking 'now what's the problem with dale jr. this year?'.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It's very wasteful. All that rubber and all that gas, evaporated on every Sunday. Just to get the driver back to where he started three hundred times.

Well, golf is certainly far more wasteful.. especially resorts in the desert. I love the game itself, but -- practically speaking -- it's the most resource wasting sport on the planet.. as far as upkeep and water is concerned. (although the terms "waste" and "resource" are very flexible, so any sport could be argued to be the worst, depending on how you stretch the terms.)

Anyway, this is why I prefer mini-golf.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"I love poker because it uses up the least resources on our beautiful planet. People should start thinking about taking up sports that will ensure the world stays healthy. *puffs on cigar* FULL HOUSE? YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!"

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate NASCAR, 'cuz it's boring and over-sponsored. The entire experience is ruined by constant corporate logos in your face. Enjoy Formula 1, love dirt-track racing (I even 'sponsored' a modified team last year... for $100. But hey, it got my name on the car!), like CART/IRL whenever they run road races, avoid NASCAR and most oval racing like the plague.

I went to the second Winston Cup race at Texas Motor Speedway, with two or three hour-long delays because of wrecks and terrible track conditions. Then when they were actually running, I feel asleep. It's super-loud, but the way the engines rev in unison around the track is soothing and it was 100+ degrees and after two beers I was out like a light.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i have a question. i was thinking about it the other day. here it is: what happens when a nascar driver sneezes?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

they take a big dose of claritin before the race.

My thoughts/questions were always about the more obvious and icky bodily functions.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

but actually that's something I've wondered about all sports. Surely there's been a time when the quarterback just suddenly has to go with 3:15 on the clock down by 7.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been to a race at the bequest of my dad, who loves it. It was exactly what you'd expect, a bunch of drunk rednex in their own nirvana. It's like an outdoor convention or something, there are vendors and booths for miles and miles. The sport, if you can call it that, is completely overun with merchandising and marketing. It was impossible to know what was going on in the race itsself however, as the track was huge so you only really saw the cars as they went past at 150mph and I couldn't keep straight which one was in the lead. The short dirt track sprint car races my dad took me to in my youth were infinately more exciting and entertaining.

Dennis, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"sneeze" answer:
http://www.thespoof.com/picstore/sport/talladega-wreck_a.jpg

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

yikes. that's what i was wondering. see, i'm terrified if i'm on the highway and i have a big sneeze. it completely robs you of your ability to steer and pay attention to what's happening ahead of you for a split second. now on a highway that split second shouldn't matter too much, but when you're driving upwards of 150 mph with a bunch of other cars in close proximity, passing each other all the time and whatnot, that split second could matter a lot.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I love NASCAR. I loved it a lot as a kid, but I went through a long stage of denial when I was a teenager and in college. I've recently started to get back into it though. I'm really enjoying it.

I grew up in the south.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to milo - actually oversponsorship is the main reason modern sporting events turn me off, period. NASCAR is certainly not an anomaly there.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was a kid we used to go to the indie track. It was a great time! All the cars were pretty beat up and at the end of the night they would have crazy 8 races. I loved it and would go today if I lived near one of these tracks.

I have no interest in NASCAR though. Watching corporate logos go in a circle for a couple hours is not my idea on entertainment.

Zebra, Alpha Go! (cprek), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm surely the 1,000th person to note this, but does anyone else agree that crashes are not exactly an anomaly in this sport, but perhaps its not-so-secret raison d'etre?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

not to discount the whole gearhead aspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(which is the part i can admire.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

This one Saturday afternoon I was ridiculously high and bored and watched a NASCAR race which took place during a storm, whenever it started raining they would quit racing, wait until it stopped, go through the amazingly tedious task of drying off the track, start racing again (minus the number of laps already run), do so until the rain started again, wait, dry, repeat. It's one of the few things I've ever found so funny so high that was still funny to me again later, completely sober.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to cheer for the Lucky Strikes F1 team, which makes me a horrible hypocrite on the sponsorship thing. But my god they have the greatest logo ever.

I don't notice the sponsorship of basketball and baseball so much (though I hate selling the naming rights to city/state-financed stadiums), until the owners are dumb enough to plaster logos on uniforms. I'd probably be more turned off if I saw them live more often.

I don't think the gearhead factor is that big anymore - the 'cars' they race (Monte Carlos, Ford Tauruses or whatever the new equiv. is) aren't very cool. I'd say the chance of a wreck and the general bumpin-and-grindin is the major drive behind watching the sport.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

The marketing is like woven into the sport itself though, from what I can tell from my dad. He's all into who the sponsors are and how much they make in advertising and merchandising. It's like part of how the fans pick their favorite drivers and determines which beer they drink and whatever, it's odd. Are English football fans all tied up into their sponsors that way too?

Dennis, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

but does anyone else agree that crashes are not exactly an anomaly in this sport, but perhaps its not-so-secret raison d'etre?

You could say the same about bullfighting and rodeo.. although the degree of visual "wow"-ness associated with a crash can be seen as disturbingly obfuscating of the tragedy thereof... although this is something people *outside* the sport get more excited about when they see it in the news while those into the sport actually get sad about, I'd gather.

And I stress "I'd gather". Again, I've never even sat through a car race on TV once in my life... so I'll defer to the NASCAR people here instead to explain this.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah amster, people who don't follow it always say 'people just watch for the crashes' because they can't imagine people might actually enjoy racing and if they can't imagine it it must not be so, but everyone i know who follows the sport tends to get pissed off about crashes - they're almost always preventable and the result of some recklessness on a driver's part and fatalities or injuries are usually preventable if nascar had had this reg or that reg in place. my dad refuses to watch indy car racing cuz of how dangerous it is, and i've had at least three people (including my dad) mention the (presumably) same clip of the front end of an indy car getting ripped off and taking the driver's legs with it when i've asked them 'why nascar over indy?'.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

But the behavior that leads to crashes - recklessness and danger, 'if you ain't rubbin' you ain't racing" or whatever, the most popular drivers (Earnhardt, Tony Stewart) often being the biggest hardasses - is ingrained in NASCAR culture to a much greater extent than open-wheel racing (precisely because open-wheel is more dangerous when you get in wrecks)

I can see hardcore fans disliking wrecks (even while unconsciously liking the danger), but the casual fans who make up most of the audience are looking for excitement, which is served by crashes, and something that's often missing from F1.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was a kid we used to go to the indie track. It was a great time! All the cars were pretty beat up and at the end of the night they would have crazy 8 races. I loved it and would go today if I lived near one of these tracks.

I have no interest in NASCAR though. Watching corporate logos go in a circle for a couple hours is not my idea on entertainment.

Me too and me too.

luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I watched part of the Coca Cola 600 last Sunday. They'd race 5 laps, there'd be a caution, repeat. This was a 400 lap race!!! I fell right asleep.

I do get a kick out of some of the old footage circa Lee Petty. Some drivers would be in convertibles.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

blount is probably right, i don't really know much about racing in honesty.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

o yeah, the bumping is a huge part of it - i can't play my dad in racing video games cuz he knows all this nascar shit and can make me spin out like that - and i'm never quite clear on what bumping is ok but this or that particular act crossed a line (i know that it happens in every race but you don't have the drivers have those big confrontations - which are my fave part - after every race). i did hear someone the other day talking about how it's 'win at all costs now' and how drivers can't be honorable or follow any code anymore.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

at some point someone should address jeff gordon at 'wrigley stadium'.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

haha speaking of jeff gordon

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i did hear someone the other day talking about how it's 'win at all costs now' and how drivers can't be honorable or follow any code anymore.

is there any cultural phenomenon that doesn't have naysayers like that? cf. the yakuza, black metal.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Auto-racing generally bores me but NASCAR isn't the worst of oval track racing.
No, it's (the worst of) Ovaltine track racing.

Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer open-wheel racing--NASCAR seems very slow and imprecise. Indy racing, for example, seems to call upon the skill of the driver more significantly (racing rockist, surely). Check Helio Castroneves' driving at Indy on Sunday, dodging past debris like a badass.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand why there is any other auto-racing besides Formula 1. The only other thing I would like is real "stock" cars. Like say, cars costing $30-$40K driven off the lot and onto the track - that would be awesome.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think there are SCCA classes like that, but they aren't very popular as entertainment.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

er SCAA (Sports-Car Association of America)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's hear it for dirt track racing! Dead Lakes Speedway in Wewahitchka, here I come!

Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

When i was a kid i went to an amusement park with a big dirt track for go kart racing. It was shit loads of fun. Nascar has no reason to exist though.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I enjoy NASCAR and have season tickets to New Hampshire - which is admittedly one of the worst tracks on the circuit. For pure racing entertainment short track sprints/midgets on dirt or clay are definitely the best. Especially for the neophyte who doesn't know an Earnhart from a Waltrip, since 4/5 of the entertainment from NASCAR is knowing the relationships, history and strategy.

That said the best race last weekend was F1, especially the last lap. From a purist's perspective F1 is probably the most interesting class, but to anyone who doesn't follow auto racing it has to be the most boring. It's all strategy and technology, barely any passing. Speed here in the USA has some great announcers, even if they are Coulthard haters.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

re: SCCA ... yes that is racing for purely 'stock' cars though it's all timed through courses set up with cones in a parking lot. It's certainly subject to tinkering as well, for instance The Dodge Neon dominated its class for years because they offered a factory-installed racing suspension upgrade to get around the "purely stock" rules.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Surely there's been a time when the quarterback just suddenly has to go with 3:15 on the clock down by 7.

Does Depends have a NASCAR sponsorship program?

In the meantime, my brain balks at the idea of auto racing as a sport, because it doesn't seem to demand physical strength or endurance. However, I probably here am subscribing to a high-rockist concept of sports.

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It seems like there's a lot of endurance involved! Those races go on forever!

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

am!: Sneezing While Driving: C/D?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Then sitting in saunas must be a sport too!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

mucho upper-body strength for NASCAR - no power steering!

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I assume open-wheelers don't have power steering either, but they weigh like 1400# rather than 3500.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome back to NASCAR!

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felicity, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i bid a gimlet farewell to 'digger' and his marketing empire and eagerly anticipate the return of wally's world

gabbneb, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:04 (fifteen years ago) link

I have won $240 on the Kyleeeeeeeeeeeee Dude 茄蕃 this season. I used my winnings to buy a new camera.

felicity, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

It's bad publicity and it's a shame but Poston's going to do the right thing.

Read any class action complaint and you'll see the same or worse happening at places from IBM to Merril Lynch.

felicity, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

JIMMY JOHNSON

this is what i say whenever nascar comes up

JIMMY JOHNSON

whenever i catch the tail end of a race on tv i always pull for him & he does not often disappoint

deeznuts, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link

It's Jimmie Johnson, friend.

But yeah, he's a great one to root for.

felicity, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

pwned <3

but yeah whenever i watch a nascar race at the end its always like 'should jimmie go for it or not?' & im always like FUCK YES & he always does then he wins

deeznuts, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

He's such an awesome good sport, too.

felicity, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i have been promised "nascar merchandise"!

Pocono might not be the best racing, but it sure looks purty on the tv

gabbneb, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 01:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Suspiciously smaller-than-a-breadbox NASCAR merchandise, perhaps?

OMG I am so excited about Sonoma. I got comped tickets from my friend at Turner.

felicity, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I am as yet uncertain of the size or nature of said merch, but may find out this weekend.

gabbneb, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

This is a good commercial. Someone said it was DJ not Shadow, the other one.

felicity, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

You know, from the 90s but not as good. Oh yeah, Spooky.

felicity, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

i gave my parents a nascar-related item because it also involved something they like. i kept a picture or two tho.

gabbneb, Thursday, 19 June 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

AP says Tony to run his own team, possibly picking up Newman

gabbneb, Thursday, 10 July 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_bowles/07/11/obama/?eref=sircrc

awesome/finally

gabbneb, Friday, 11 July 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i actually sent them an email recommending Kvapil's car. I'm sure these things are related.

gabbneb, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Samsung Instinct NASCAR application, as demonstrated at Mashable.

(video commentary by yours truly)

felicity, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

i got this guy for my parents' collection

http://web.mac.com/ben.gardner/iWeb/Site/Animals_files/P1000080.jpg

gabbneb, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link

...

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I was watching the driver view during practice and everything looked familiar and I realized I dropped many quarters into Indy racing at Coney last weekend and I was all I KNOW YOU, MANG

gabbneb, Saturday, 26 July 2008 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link

TS: Dover (or New Hampshire) + Mets-Phils vs. Richmond weekend + Mets-Braves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICi3kIzSIZg&feature=related

gabbneb, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Got any questions for Casey Mears? I'm interviewing him tomorrow.

felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

NOPE

deeznuts, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, who's his candidate?

gabbneb, Monday, 25 August 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll ask.

felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Got any questions for Casey Mears? I'm interviewing him tomorrow.

I suppose I'd ask him for his view on the cheating scandal with Joe Gibbs Racing. Also what he thought of Junior Johnson's reply at: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/columns/story?columnist=hinton_ed&id=3548448

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, is he going to race the 24 Hours of Daytona again?

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm totally going to ask him about the cheating. It's so blatant. I want to know if their attitude is like "LOL U BUSTED" or U Jerk.

felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey, good question about the 24 hours of Daytona, too. Thanks!

felicity, Monday, 25 August 2008 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

so why is McDowell still in this series?

i may be going to dover next weekend. how do i go about getting one of those scanner thingies? is there a kind to get? and what do i do with it? does it serve the earplug function?

http://thepage.time.com/mccain-pool-report-3/

gabbneb, Monday, 15 September 2008 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AgFc04FXc_dVtMgcEScu94nov7YF?slug=bm-edwards091108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

On the subject of politics, Edwards had very strong opinions. When the subject turned to the current presidential election, he offered no direct endorsement of one candidate over another.

“People are smart, and they know the difference between what’s best for them and what’s not,” Edwards said. “I think they know who turns things around and who is telling the truth.

gabbneb, Monday, 15 September 2008 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I don't cuz it preempted The Simpsons!!! Why is it NEVER the other way around?????? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....................

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 2 March 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dCpO-e3yyp0/TqlSidQ5WcI/AAAAAAAAAe8/0Cpvfxb3qyU/s400/tony-stewart-GC.jpg

Tony Stewart in high school.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

surely some mistake!

^ enlightening post (sarahell), Friday, 31 January 2014 09:58 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

wtf

Come and Heave a Ho (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

The NASCAR driver known as "The Outlaw" testified Tuesday he believes his ex-girlfriend is a trained assassin dispatched on covert missions around the world who once returned to him in a blood-splattered gown.

"Everybody on the outside can tell me I'm crazy, but I lived on the inside and saw it firsthand," Kurt Busch said when his attorney, Rusty Hardin, questioned why he still believed Patricia Driscoll is a hired killer.

amazing

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

Lol rain delay

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

i saw that Ryan Newman crash and was worried it was gonna be some Russell Phillips shit but the dude walked out of the hospital today. pre-Earnhardt he'd probably be dead.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/dLzS5qL.jpg

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 June 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

I don't like how much I like and appreciate NASCAR now that they banned the traitor's flag and Dale Earnhardt Jr. basically said "Black Lives Matter". As someone else stated, "You know you're living in the wrong timeline when the right-wingers get Harry Potter and the left-wingers get NASCAR."

We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

Not the thread starter one might have expected.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 07:40 (three years ago) link


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