The Death of Cinema pt. 94

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not sure what the right post for this is, but anyway, is there any country, apart from the US, and india, where directors feel like their cinema is appreciated, or more importantly, just SEEN by their national audience?

in the new S&S (which has some good pieces on changing cinema fates), Athina Rachel Tsangari says the greek audience dont see her films. the other week i saw romanian directors at a BFI talk say the same thing about their films. im sure even british directors like clio bernard would say the same thing.

obv this doesnt apply to more mainstream directors/titles (eg in india, independent movies dont have mainstream success like bollywood titles, ditto the US, where alex ross perry isnt exactly competing with star wars, and in the UK andrea arnold isnt really likely to bother richard curtis or the inbetweeners), so i wonder why this is still a point of contention. no one anywhere is watching these films in huge numbers. and perhaps it has always been thus. BUT if no one in their own country is seeing them, where ARE they being seen? is it only festivals?

StillAdvance, Monday, 25 July 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link

Well, that's complicated. But yeah, there's definitely an ecosystem based around film festivals. In a lot of European countries, film financing is done in collaboration with the government, and much of that money isn't being spend on what the audience wants. In Denmark, for instance, it's even split in two, a consultant/prestige bag of money, and a market bag of money, which should go to perceived popular films.

At times, it seems a bit like prestige tv series. No Romanian New Wave film will get a financial return on it's investment (I guess). Especially not in Romania, where the moviehouse infrastructure is still really bad, and many people simply won't get the chance to watch these films. But the continued artistic succes of these films paint a picture of Romania as an artistically vibrant place, so to some extent they will keep on being financed.

And then there's all the co-funding being done all over the place. France is financing much of Francophone African cinema, and did so even when there were close to no cinemas in the countries where the films were being made. The Jeonju film festival in South Korea is doing some financing of directors who has participated in the festival before, for instance Argentinian director Mattias Pineiro. Many directors from the Icelandic film boom were educated in Denmark, and there's a whole lot of Danish money involved - so why Danish film continues to be so crap is a mystery to me...

Frederik B, Monday, 25 July 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

tl;dr: Arthouse economics are weird.

Frederik B, Monday, 25 July 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

"film financing is done in collaboration with the government, and much of that money isn't being spend on what the audience wants"

i wouldnt mind if more british film money was spent on 'what the audience DOESNT want', rather than half the stuff you see shown on bbc 1/2 late night/early mornings (or things like the awakening, which has to be one of the most inspid horrors of recent memory). dont want to turn into one of those 'in my day...' bores, but when you see a lot of the stuff that got funded in the 80s, it does boggle the mind.

StillAdvance, Monday, 25 July 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Bordwell asks if "movies" are any deader than they were in '66.

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2016/09/18/its-all-over-until-the-next-time/

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link

When critics treat what’s buzzy as valuable, they agree with marketers, and cooperate with them. How many critics who loved The Dark Knight had been prompted by the campaign that played up “Why So Serious?” and other memes that publicists thought would stick? Kristin has documented how The Lord of the Rings marketers set the agenda for journalists by means of junkets and Electronic Press Kits (above), while wooing fans with carefully judged opportunities to participate online (a “pop-cultural conversation,” for sure). The typical big film is positioned by the marketing campaign, and even unanticipated responses, especially if the film is strategically ambiguous, can feed ticket sales.

The People don’t start the cultural conversation; they react to what they’re given. The conversation is started by the studios, and they try to channel it. They generate the “controversies” about making the protagonists of Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens a woman and an African American man. The critics pick up the story. (Remember: column inches.) Viewers dutifully enter their opinions on blogs, tweets, and comments columns–which the critics then re-spin. As Brody points out of Quality TV, it’s all about expanding discourse, indefinitely. Criticism begets “comments” which beget chitchat. This less a conversation than a perpetually chattering flashmob.

this is v interesting, it puts words to something i've been arguing with my son about for a while, why i feel a weariness about the big movies he gets excited for that's deeper than whether i think those films are mildly entertaining for a couple of hours

you can't drowned a duck (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link

it's not the films, it's the relentless blather around them

you can't drowned a duck (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link

xp otm

It's enjoyable to walk into a movie knowing nothing other than the basic premise and, at most, the opinion given in a brief review or trailer you saw at another showing. Going to the theater to cement your opinion on how this summer action film's director treated the source material, to be debated at length, is painful. Especially if it's a relatively lightweight action film.

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 19 September 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

We seem to be heading back to the era before home video, when you actually had to wait to see a film at a museum or a revival house, instead of expecting it to be instantly available. Not sure this is a bad thing.

— Dave Kehr (@dave_kehr) October 30, 2019

My ex-ilxor pal who has downloaded 9000 films will scoff at this, of course

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 October 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link

in the era before home video you would see a movie on the tv 2 years after it came out in the theatre

ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link

xp of course it's a bad thing, what a moronic thing to say

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 October 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link

Very much a bad thing for the majority of the world who don't have access to revival theatres or film festivals, and whose accessible theatres are clogged with Marvel crap.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 2 November 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link

what if you had to go to London to read Shakespeare? it's just a crazy thing to say...

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:11 (four years ago) link

What if there was a nonprofit rep house in every major city? In 1971 it was close(r) to true. The *guvmint* could make it more likely if it wanted to...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:38 (four years ago) link

my wish to god

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:47 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

I'm seeing Birds of Prey and I s2g a guy here alone just clamped an arm onto his seat to hold his phone pointed at his face. An employee spoke to him and then was ok with it so he's not filming the screen. I. I think he's filming his face reacting to the entire movie

— Jenny Nicholson 🔜 Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) (@JennyENicholson) February 8, 2020

j., Sunday, 9 February 2020 02:05 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

literal death of cinema(goers)

Variety reports:

AMC Theatres, the world’s largest exhibitor, has unveiled plans to re-open after coronavirus forced it to close its more than 600 venues in the U.S. for nearly four months. The company is expected to resume operations in 450 of those locations on July 15 and expects to be almost fully operational by the time that Disney’s “Mulan” debuts on July 24 and Warner Bros.’ “Tenet” bows on July 31.

AMC will not mandate that all guests wear masks, although employees will be required to do so. “We did not want to be drawn into a political controversy,” said Aron. “We thought it might be counterproductive if we forced mask wearing on those people who believe strongly that it is not necessary. We think that the vast majority of AMC guests will be wearing masks. When I go to an AMC feature, I will certainly be wearing a mask and leading by example.”

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 June 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link

"political controversy" ffs

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 June 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link

Cool, I'm sure the inner city rep theaters I patronize will be forcing me and everyone around to me to wear a mask and, similarly, won't subject me to Christopher Nolan's latest film.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Friday, 19 June 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link

Horrible decision

flappy bird, Friday, 19 June 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

reversed!

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 June 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link

yay

flappy bird, Friday, 19 June 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

significant, the legal eagles assure us

As a result of the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark 1948 decision in United 
States v. Paramount Pictures, the studios had to divest themselves of their exhibition holdings. A court-approved settlement then established rules governing the licensing relationship between certain studios such as Paramount and Warner Bros. and theater owners. Other studios such as The Walt Disney Company weren't part of the original case, but have nevertheless been guided by those Paramount Consent Decrees.

But with some deregulatory fervor, the Trump-era DOJ has been taking a hard look at long-lasting behavioral remedies for older antitrust abuses. Last November, the DOJ moved to terminate the decrees. In the government's estimation, total bans on practices like "block-booking" (bundling multiple films into one theater license) and "circuit dealing" (the practice of licensing films to all movie theaters under common ownership, as opposed to licensing each film on a theater-by-theater basis) had outlived their usefulness. It was time to sunset them and get rid of other rules. Some indie theaters warned the move would usher in new consolidation with tech giants like Amazon swooping in to acquire theaters.

U.S. District Court Judge Analisa Torres agrees with the government that times have changed, and so must the rules....

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-agrees-end-paramount-consent-decrees-1306387

For those wondering, one particular bench in SDNY (where Ruth Bader Ginsberg first clerked) has been responsible for reviewing all elements of the consent decrees since 1948. A lot of film companies + theater companies applied for exceptions and things since the mid-50s. If the..

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) August 7, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link

Yeah, there aren't going to be theaters at this time next year, so rule away, judges.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

i wouldn't dismiss any scenario, but your certainty is intriguing

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link

In a scenario where there are no theaters or theaters owned by monopolies, I'm still naive enough to think the former is the worse outcome.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

of course no theaters would be worse than pre-48 monopoly theaters, come on

flappy bird, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link

bcz many pre-48 theaters showed some studio films not aimed at children

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link

For those wondering what's next, I wrote a story for @Polygon in November looking at four possible futures of moviegoing. Today's ruling was essentially a last technical step. The biggest worry is what happens when block booking returns in 2022: https://t.co/pFmZYUE0Hm

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) August 7, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

bcz many pre-48 theaters showed some studio films not aimed at children

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, August 7, 2020 2:42 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I know, and Netflix or Amazon would fill that gap in this mitigated nightmare scenario. I don't like it but it's better than no theaters at all.

flappy bird, Friday, 7 August 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

my local theater is back open and what a lineup

A Quiet Place 2
F9
Peter Rabbit 2
The Boss Baby 2
The Conjuring 3
Black Widow
The Hitman's Bodyguard 2

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 8 July 2021 08:22 (two years ago) link

Haha yeah the mainstream releases have been pretty dire. But I'll admit Summer of Soul is the first thing that isn't streaming (in the UK) that's got me tempted to go back to the cinema.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 July 2021 09:59 (two years ago) link

It's streaming from a couple of weeks, but go see it in the cinema, it is a fantastic, fantastic movie.

burnt hombre (stevie), Thursday, 8 July 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link

Cosign. People waited through the end credits and applauded at my screening! (And were rewarded with an extra Stevie bit.)

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 8 July 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

I'll admit I wept a couple of times during it (also it was my first trip into central London since lockdown began, and also my first time in a cinema since Covid)

burnt hombre (stevie), Thursday, 8 July 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link

Summer of Soul is fucking incredible.

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 8 July 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

the banana’s point was not so much that cinema is being killed bcz the films are dire, as that literally every film is a sequel, involving characters who are not under the control of their creators

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 8 July 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

okay it's Yelp time people. i went to the Vue at the Westfield a few days ago with my boys, to see One Piece: Red. (they are One Piece megafans.) i've found Vue to have excellent picture and sound, and they are absolutely atrocious at everything else. just buying popcorn takes 20 minutes minimum, every time. so this time I popped my own microwave popcorn, bought three Fantas for £3.30 at the corner shop, and went in. the lights go down and the previews start. the sound is truly bone-rattling, but i love that. the subwoofers are SERIOUS in this place. by the time the second or third preview has come on, though, i'm noticing that it's just.... too fucking loud. like, REALLY loud. distractingly loud. hard to even focus on the screen visually for the noise. i'm lie "i'm going to go say something" and the kids convince me not to, that i'll get used to it. they could be right, who knows. the picture starts. it is EAR-SPLITTING. it doesn't help that the whole movie is insane, no intro, no lead-in, doesn't take place on the high seas, it all seems to be about a singing contest? anyway none of us can even think it's so loud, and the kids start complaining too, so i go off to find someone. i do, and she asks to come with me to see for herself. the second we open the door to the screening room she's like "whoah, yeah. that's crazy." she says she'll go find a manager. do i need to come with you? no no, we'll take care of it. 5, 10 minutes go by, it's still the same, i walk back down to the front of the cinema. she's not there. i ask where a manager is, he's pointed out to me, and i tell him the story. we can't change it, he says. what?? i convince him to come with me. he does, and of course it's a quieter section of the movie, and he says listen, we can't just change things because one person doesn't like it. nobody else has complained. this motherfucker. the kids are asking to leave now. we do, i ask for my money back, to his credit he does it. he tells me they have no control over anything locally. they have to call a phone number just to change the air conditioning.

anyway, first time i've ever had an issue with this (my hearing sucks - usually i think things are too quiet!) - however, the Picturehouse, the other local alternative to Vue, consistently screens their movies too dimly. (this is apparently very common - cinemas save ££ on electricity over the longrun, even though they're contractually obligated to screen at a certain luminance(

I mean, i really try to support my local cinemas. Even though I now have a shit-hot TV that makes everything look great. but if they're going to deliver such a subpar, fucked up experience (not to mention the wait times and prices for concessions) it really does deserve to die.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 November 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link

In other news, Rian Johnson had to fight with Netflix to get Glass Onion released in theatres, and they only agreed 1 week on 650 screens.

It's currently outselling Wakanda Forever on a per-screen basis.. If it had opened as widely as WF it would be grossing close to the mythical £100M mark for the first week

Tracer Hand, Monday, 28 November 2022 11:48 (one year ago) link

Did someone say something about the death of cinema?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UeGXB2NjR8

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 November 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link

wtf is that sad ass nonsense

two weeks pass...

Next year:

Ant-Man 3, Creed 3, Shazam! 2, John Wick 4, Dungeons & Dragons, Super Mario Bros., Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Fast 10, Spider-verse 2, Transformers 7, The Flash, Indiana Jones 5, Mission: Impossible 7, Barbie, The Marvels, Dune 2, Hunger Games 5, Ghostbusters 5, Aquaman 2

Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 December 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link

i'm considering re-upping my membership at IFC for the upcoming year and camping out there

hey, don't lump Barbie in with that junk

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link

Bring back the “Blondie” and “Andy Hardy” series you cowards.

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link

spiderverse 2 will be good

but i mean, y’know

Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 December 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link

I will see 8 of those in the theater.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link

doing your part to keep the cinema alive!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 December 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link


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