It does sound cleaner and slightly less busy than the original
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
Always thought that chord progression was just a major key version of wonderwall though
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
what a lost opportunity to see if the whole album could have been de-larded
― PaulTMA, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
Be Here Now... Naked
― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Friday, 22 July 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
That album has one reason to exist and you would remove it
― imago, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
" “As the years went by I’d started to accept that the songs on ‘Be Here Now’ were in fact insanely long… too long! Someone (I can’t remember who) had the idea that we re-visit, re-edit the entire album for posterity’s sake. We got as far as the first track before we couldn’t be arsed any more and gave up… It does sound fucking mega though!”
and then he cut it down from the original's 7:42 to the remix's rethink's 7:23
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 22 July 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?A quieter, older guy mix !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
"d'you know what i mean" rules, blunted beats against a vicious wall of sound
― brimstead, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, July 22, 2016 7:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, July 22, 2016 7:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Listening to it again, there's a hell of a lot that's been filtered out and re-positioned in the stereo field. It was always apparent that the original Be Here Now mixes were dense, with Owen Morris trying to cram every single last track into the mix, but listening to this has made me realise just how much they were trying to cram into the mixes. Like, they recorded that string section and it's so hard to pick out in the original mix it might as well have not even been there. The notable things that I've noticed is: no helicopter intro, and the wah-wah guitars at the beginning have been filtered out completely, as well as a lot of vocal harmonies and of course zillions of rhythm guitar overdubs and a couple of solo's here and there. There's more bass, too. It's a much more easier-on-the-ear mix and I agree with PaulTMA that it's a bit of a missed opportunity to not remix the whole album.
I noticed that the demo for 'D'You Know What I Mean?' also clocks in at over 7 minutes - clearly, it was always meant to be that long!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
The drum sound still sucks, though.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
as I say, I'm sue the remix attempt was only five years after the event.
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Oasis artist poll will open next month. Starting to revisit now.
― Bee OK, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
They really should have given the master tapes over to someone else to mix at the time, given how lousy the original mixes sound. That's apparently what Ash did when they were working with Owen Morris. Having said that, the secrecy surrounding this whole record at the time was (by all accounts) batshit and I'm not surprised that they never considered it an option.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
Putting aside the sonics, which has a greater number of good tunes: stone roses s/t or those first three oasis ones?
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
Nice to hear the vocal harmonies in Know What I Mean. The dual vocal is also the best part of Stand By Me.
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Just listened to the new mix again. This is the definitive version, as far as I'm concerned. Remix the rest of the LP, Noel!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
Is 'Street Fighting Man' a Stones cover then?
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, October 7, 2009 3:35 PM (6 years ago)
lol, i remember i had at least a couple of dorky oasis obsessive friends back around the be here now era who insisted that every cover they ever did was better than the original, including "street fighting man" and "heroes." i kinda love this band despite everything but come on
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:10 (seven years ago) link
I remember reading an interview with Owen Morris in which he said he didn't get why they were even bothering to attempt to cover those tracks for that reason.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
this might be a good time to ask some questions about the upcoming Oasis poll.
i hate, hate, hate worst song polls but i think i need to do that for Oasis as they have some cringe worthy songs.
i was also thinking of doing a best cover side poll as well but are there any really good covers?
anything you would like to see for the Oasis poll?
thoughts?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 July 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link
now, i will have to try this link.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 July 2016 01:47 (seven years ago) link
Oh man, during my teenaged Oasis fandom there was at least a week or two when my buddy and I convinced ourselves that their "I Am The Walrus" was way more far-out and sound-expanding than the original. Yeesh.
― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 July 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link
i actually remember liking their version of "heroes" OK but yeah last time i put on the masterplan (which i mostly like) their take on "walrus" sounded so embarrassing i had to hit the skip button about halfway through.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 July 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link
If they were really like the Beatles, they would've had Liam sing German versions of the songs, such as "Stehen Sie bei mir bitte".
― sbahnhof, Saturday, 23 July 2016 06:17 (seven years ago) link
the sonic excess of this album is part of the appeal.i mean seriously, the opening track without the helicopter intro!? dear god, what is the point ?
― mark e, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
otm
― brimstead, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
I agree that it needs the helicopter intro, but then again it was absent on the single version too. I still think the new mix is an improvement - folks can talk all they like about how the excess was the point, but the new mix is listenable in a way that the original mix wasn't.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Monday, 25 July 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
due to this thread revival i dropped this album on the playlist earlier and fuck, i seriously do not want a re-dux version.
xpost :
i genuinely love the excess. having upgraded my system recently, i can actually hear all the various guitar parts...
― mark e, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
glad some sense is finally being spoken
― imago, Monday, 25 July 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
no-one has suggestions for the Oasis poll? i will wing it.
btw, i like the new version. can finally understand what he is saying.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link
what does he mean though
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
the lyrics are just a mix of beatles titles and quotes, as usual, aren't they ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:04 (seven years ago) link
ahah, I never noticed (or cared) so I just checked the lyrics.man...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:06 (seven years ago) link
man!!
― imago, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link
(man!)
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link
the Man !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:00 (seven years ago) link
Did you mean covers as in album/single art? I'd vote for that, I like those Microdot sleeves.
The redo of DYKWIM sounds good at least (still too long and yeah the lyrics are crap) but then it was always the closest thing to a decent song on Be Here Now anyway.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
I still think 'It's Getting Better (Man!!)' is one of the best songs on the album and I'm still surprised it wasn't released as a single.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
hum. I'm not sure there's one good song on that album. maybe "stand by me" as an easy cheesy ballad...but there are some atrocious songs, for sure !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Wow, I'd completely erased this album from my memory. I was 15 when it came out and me and my friends all went through the same hype cycle, convincing ourselves it was great for about a week, then piling on as we realised it was complete muck.
I remember there was a documentary about the album called Right Here Right Now on TV the night before it was released. It had this version of Stand By Me, which made the excess of the album version all the more hillarious:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ6Etl_BU64
Then cleaned up version of DYKWIM is actually decent - the When The Levee Breaks/Kashmir influence is more obvious. Of course Jimmy Page built the heaviness around the drums and a sense of space. Anyone who's messed around with a multitrack editor knows you can't just keep piling on overdubs - the fewer parts you have, the louder each of them can be.
― the_ecuador_three, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Oasis poll to open Monday. if there are any last minute suggestions for this poll then this weekend is it. i think i will go with three or four categories.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 July 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
tasty bits of Mea Culpa going on here
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/06/flattened-by-the-cocaine-panzers-the-toxic-legacy-of-oasiss-be-here-now
― piscesx, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
I thought it'd at least be another year before we saw another piece on this record!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
so this really was the 1st line in Stand By Me after all, lol
Made a meal and threw it up on Sunday I've gotta lot of things to learn Said I would and I'll be leaving one day Before my heart starts to burn
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I don't really get the "it was too exciting to write a proper review!" excuse
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
Ah, this was less a piece about Oasis and more a piece about music critics.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Mojo’s reviewer was even moved to patois: “This is Oasis’s World Domination Album. Dem a come fe mess up de area, seeeeeeeeerious.”
― just sayin, Friday, 7 October 2016 07:22 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !
http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
The Mustique demos are on Youtube now and... christ, Owen Morris wasn't wrong when he said that they should have referenced the demos more. They're a lot more polished and fleshed out than I expected too, i.e. it's not just "Noel on an acoustic"
http://www.youtube.com/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
Sorry, but this is a truly bizarre bit of writing. I can't think I've ever seen somebody go to such lengths to try to defend something and still have nothing to show for it at the end, not a single point rings true.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 23 October 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link