Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

'they banned me from starbucks because i kept asking them to write my name as 'shitcock mccunt' on my takeout cup!'

https://twitter.com/djperry1973/status/755613240932102144

I watched the whole thing and did a little dance when you posted that

my man

...hannity?

solid summation: https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/im-with-the-banned-8d1b6e0b2932#.xd0mcko2q

I can decode "weaponized insincerity" but "structured ignorance" is a colorless green idea

Structured ignorance = if this weren't true, there wouldn't be a couple of newspapers and a dozen blogs and a news TV channel (and a school textbook) that tells me it's true.

that needs another modifier (willful) imho but ok

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/07/29/487832991/south-korea-is-contending-with-a-gamergate-of-its-own-over-a-t-shirt

http://www.themarysue.com/feminism-around-the-world-korean-voiceover-actress/

https://realkoreans.com/2016/01/08/korean-feminism-reins-in-the-collective-power-of-the-internet/

http://www.koreabang.com/2016/features/the-rise-of-radical-korean-feminist-community-megalia.html

Recent story about a voice actress being fired for wearing an ordinary feminist t-shirt but some are saying it's about the group who sell the shirts. A satiric feminist group that has done a lot of good but divided up into different splinter groups have been accused of all sorts of harassment, death threats, defending a paedophile, racism and outing homosexuals. Some say this is all satire or just lies spread by the extreme men's groups but the one about homosexuals seems to be true of some of the factions.
A lot of this stuff is in the comments, I haven't read it all closely so I don't know what to make of it all but if it is absurdly extreme satire that lots of people are misinterpreting, it seems like a really risky way to combat the men's groups and misogyny in general.

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Hate these choads so much

does being a tech millionaire make you a libertarian shitheel or do you need to be a libertarian shitheel to be a tech billionaire?

the 4channing of culture is genuinely fucking terrifying tbh

millionaire/billionaire confusion there but you know what i mean

its all about arrested development and permanent adolescence and hating women because you can't talk to one without shitting your pants, isn't it? and having no knowledge of anything beyond your computer monitor.

a lifetime's worth of resentment being acted out bc they have money basically

let's make casual sexism less accepted
http://gamecenter.nyu.edu/nyu-game-center-announces-new-scholarship-women-game-designers/

Dan Olson from Folding Ideas actually subjected himself to that Sarkeesian slam-doc last year, wrote about the horrorific movie making on display

https://storify.com/FoldableHuman/has-davis-aurini-ever-seen-a-documentary

fbi document dump

https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/824693431100329984

Strange thread:

https://twitter.com/spacetwinks/status/827656727088742401

looks reasonable/accurate to me?

yeah, seems otm to me too

i buy it tho idk if the recruiters were real (or even necessary) it's not like you need some special corruption to rediscover nazism all the ingredients (anger, self-loathing, fear, anonymity, cultural incrimination, cruel sarcastic humor, alienation) were there. nazism isn't like life where we haven't quite figured out abiogenesis yet - ppl throughout history have continually rediscovered bigotry. the whole "recruiter" idea smacks of apologism to me - oh, /our/ kids would never learn racism + anti-semitism + sexism if it weren't for those stormfront secret agents. but like their fucking parents told racist jokes at the dinner table and their dads shared inappropriate sexist jokes w/ their teenage sons - that's where this shit came from. ffs their parents voted for trump at a greater rate than their kids did. the only difference is that the parents lived close enough to the holocaust and the civil rights movement that they were still ashamed enough to mostly keep this shit on the down low (if even - i mean haven't u all heard some older white dude say some inappropriate shit to u bc they thought you were sympatico?) and their kids lived in a world where it seemed like these marginalized groups were doing okay - if not even better than they themselves (of course self-pity has always been a part of this toxic mix) - and besides fuck hypocrisy, dad, we should tell the truth about these fucking jews, etc.

imo he "recruiters" weren't actual new-nazi orgs or whatever tapping this resource, but people who were already strongly racist to the extent they blame their own problems on other, specific groups. from there it's just connecting the dots from shitting on everyone and being "edgy" to specific targets

sheesh, neo-nazi, I mean. you get the gist

Yeah I wasn't taking the "recruiting" bit as fundamentally organized or programmatic so much as thinking the web is permeated with these shit-heels and amongst the angrier manchildren of the nerd communities they found a fertile matrix first to tolerate then to grow their politics

I remember a couple dudes I knew in high school who were practically wandering around looking to get recruited for something-or-another and they weren't even that socially awkward.

the faux-racism/-sexism that gets played up as being "edgy" isn't new, it's a long standing tactic used by people who have a vague grasp on their own identities defining themselves through exclusion

just reading about nazi furries and their "furred reich", kill me now

there is this fixation these days with thinking that media shapes people. the internet stirs up extremism, the media's job is to influence popular opinion, fake news made people vote wrong, etc. i don't think violent movies/videogames/websites generally make people any more or less violent than they would be if they had some other media to express their violent tendencies. those tendencies are created more at home, by the behavior of their relatives, by their environment, by biological lottery, by familial genetic peculiarities, by the mental health spectrum, etc. everyone has a different experience growing up, and some people are exposed to violent things irl.

as for social awkwardness, it is an error to conflate that with anti-social behavior, and dangerous to couple that with tendencies towards extremism. there is a spectrum of social awkwardness, just as there is a spectrum of mental health. it is unfortunate that a modern (and ancient) solution to many problems is labeling the accused "mentally ill" and discard the problem, as if applying that label absolves any responsibility to then treat that person as a normal human. mental health (and disaba-phobia) is not just a medical issue it is a social justice issue and we've got a long way to go but it will be extremely worth it when we make progress - maybe we will find it is a root cause of many of our problems. besides captialism/over-medication doesn't seem to be doing us any favors.

did you just "not all social awkward people" me?

i agree that culture has no effect whatsoever on the people who live in it

https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsTonyNow/status/829801489581428736

i mean haven't u all heard some older white dude say some inappropriate shit to u bc they thought you were sympatico?

No, actually.

oh god

xp touché tho i have no doubt u're aware of this phenomenon

a rare note of positivity for this thread as nuclear-grade youtube irritant pewdiepie gets hammered for antisemitism

YouTube Cancels Pewdiepie's Show, Removes Him From Premium Advertising

xp touché tho i have no doubt u're aware of this phenomenon

My experience with this is:

a) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to a white person with me because they forgot I'm not white
b) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to someone who looks like me and then says "oh I don't mean you, you're one of the good ones"

or c) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to me because they want to put me in my place, but that hasn't happened in a while

i've heard multiple variants of the phrase "he jewed me down on the price" from acquaintances my age (all from smaller towns or weird exurban enclaves) and the thing that kills me is that confronting them is usually some sort of "what do you mean I said something that... oh"

most recent happened in the presence of our jewish mutual friend o_O

the guy who sold me and my dad my first car told us he didn't want to jew us down on the price and we bit tongues and left with the car.

Heard about the pewdiepie thing -- he's one of the most popular youtubers right? Was this bullshit creepingly evident all along in his thing?

every youtube gaming personality is a south park character come to life

specifically some weird cross between Cartman and Mr Garrison

i hear the "jew'd" me thing often enough that tbph as offended as i am i just assume it's unconscious bigotry and not conscious maliciousness. i think i've told this story before but more troubling is when my parents were buying a car and the salesperson asked them what it feels like to be members of the most despised people on earth.

"You mean besides car salespeople?"

(sorry, that was dumb)

i think they were too shocked to retort (and they're not those kinds of ppl anyway) - fwiw they did not purchase a car from him

my wife and i have a friend who said something about not wanting to be "jew'd down", and my wife chalked it up to something akin to using "gyp", but we both agreed that it's insane to actually say that, even unconsciously imo. but our friend, she's also from another part of the country where it might be extremely common. i dunno where it's common, i never heard it growing up around me (i heard other reprehensible shit) so it still shocks me.

isn't gyp a slur too tho