Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

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The Vardy lookalike has been getting abuse since Norwexit

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

Corbyn on the ballot!

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

poor Angela Eagle

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link

So does that mean that Eagle is going to go by what she said earlier?
THough i have just heard that Owen Smith is also on. So not sure what that will mean.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link

I mean it's despicable that this was even in question enough that people should have to feel relieved about this outcome but

hahahaha

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link

My guess is there'll be loads of them on the ballot paper and they'll all get out of the way for whoever ends up polling get closest to Corbyn.

Or they could all dumbly run up against each other and split the vote again, who even knows.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link

Can't actually remember the last time I heard some good news in politics, but otoh what a bag of arses they all look

coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link

stoked for the Dan Jarvis campaign where the leaflets just have the words "army man" in different fonts and sizes at random intervals

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link

"It's a man's life in the Parliamentary Labour Party."

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link

I paid a pound

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link

Their next cunning plan will be to borrow a few million off Murdoch and pay a click farm to give Eagle 200000 fake Labour members :p

As much as I immensely dislike what the likes of Eagle represent and how they conduct themselves, I do almost genuinely feel sorry for her now.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link

Nobody who registered in the last six months will be allowed to vote, according to the BBC - so whatever recruitment push Saving Labour were going for clearly didn't work. It's also being reported that the £3 registered supporters need to pay £25 to vote this time.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link

fucking ponzi scheme!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

I'd pay the £25, but ffs!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link

Seems bizarre that you can't vote if you became a member five months ago but can if you register to pay £25 as a non-member in the two-day window they're opening up.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

I want my pound back

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

people who joined since Feb would be able to vote if they pay the £25 supporter fee, I guess? it does seem silly

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

It seems like they do actually have a plan after all.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link

He's going to walk it.

AlanSmithee, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

Labour party sure getting creative in response to threats to its trade union funding.

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

I don't even know if i will be able to vote. As a low-down scratter member I only pay them £1.96 a month - they were asking me for more and I respectfully explained I've not even had a holiday for 4 years so get fucked!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link

£25 fee is higher than the annual membership rate under-27s, trade unionists and those who are unemployed retired or work fewer than 16 hours a week: https://join.labour.org.uk/

difficult to see how the higher fee doesn't totally negate the point of the registered supporter scheme, I guess it would have been impossible for them to get rid of it all together? or figure that anti-Corbyn types who are willing to sign up to vote against him have more disposable income

xp to calzino

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link

labour.org seems to have been overwhelmed!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link

Trying to rig the voting system towards your own dastardly end was what got them into this mess:p How much can Corbyn do to challenge these changes?not much I'd guess.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

Was the guy who was on BBC News channel saying that Corbyn was killing the Labour party after the announcement of him being on the ballot was announced really saying that the Unions were too?
That's how I heard it as I was working away on the computer. But can't tell if that could be real.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

Most reportage of Corbyn on the beeb ranges from sneering contempt to barely disguised hatred.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

do you mean this John McTernan interview? it's quite, um, something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IBqJlG7CL0

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I think so.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

don't mind the Labour Party dying if it means douchebags like McTernan have to go and do something else instead

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link

Lol blaming Corbyn for brexit is something alright!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

🎶 I paid 25 quid into the Halifax, just to watch a party die 🎶

apologies to Johnny Cash

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link

still shd have had a "losing team gets the fuck out of the party" clause

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

Not totally sure if me asking my union branch to switch my subs to the Labour affiliated fund last week was too little too late out here

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

Even by Labour's recent history of giving shambles a good name, today's meeting of the ruling NEC takes the biscuit.

Because at the end of the meeting, after a couple of pro-Corbyn members had left, and Corbyn himself had gone, a vote was taken on a motion not on the agenda, to exclude from the leadership vote anyone who joined the party in the past six months. So the 130,000 who signed up since Brexit, most of whom are thought to be Corbyn supporters, will be unable to vote.

Now whatever you think of Corbyn, this looks and smells like gerrymandering by his opponents.

Corbyn will definitely attempt to get the vote over-turned. And he may resort to the law, since Labour's website made clear that membership bought a vote.
As for those who joined since January, they will be revolting.

That said, if anyone wants to take part in the election, they now have two days to pay £25 and become a registered supporter.
Which is the first example of the much feared post-Brexit inflation, since till today it cost just £3 to be such a voting supporter.

Robert Peston on Facebook.

Tempted to join BAME Labour for £5, which is apparently one of the cheaper ways to vote, but a large part of me just wants this whole mess to be over with. If this attempt doesn't work, they'll keep trying every nine months until one does.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

lots of ppl on twitter seem to think that joining a union should be enough to get a vote

being in an affiliated union no longer automatically gets you a vote, right? you have to opt in as a supporter?

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link

yeah, there's some box to check about political fund contributions

if you join Labour as an affiliated union member they're then meant to contact your union to verify that you've opted in

This will no doubt be done smoothly and efficiently in the coming weeks

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

What's the vote of no confidence in Eagle thing happening on the 22nd from Wallasey? Is that right? There was something on Newsnight before they interviewed her. Think that was the right date.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link

Full membership meeting for Wallasey branch July 22nd to vote on no confidence following expressed wish from membership that she support Corbyn. Doesn't that undermine her mandate?
I don't think she came off that Newsnight interview that well either.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:04 (seven years ago) link

In theory they can deselect her as their MP which means someone else would stand in their seat at the next election but doesn't mean that she'd go immediately.

It looks like Owen Smith is going to throw his hat into the ring today as well so she's doubly doomed.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:07 (seven years ago) link

Heh, Corbyn must feel a bit like Auric Goldfinger when James Bond is pleading for his life before his balls get fried by a laser: "If I don't report back, 008 replaces me!" "Then I trust he will be more successful."

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:21 (seven years ago) link

https://s32.postimg.org/57vugz7lx/BAME.jpg

Hmmm.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:30 (seven years ago) link

Excluding anyone who registered in the last six months is as likely to favour Corbyn as anything else, as it also excludes people who signed up specifically to vote against him.

The £25 thing is bullshit. Either have the supporters vote or don't, but don't change the rules half way through.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:34 (seven years ago) link

Excellent inclusivity from the party of the poor and disadvantaged though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:35 (seven years ago) link

say No to democracy

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:36 (seven years ago) link

So, Corby wins this poll, overwhelmingly.

Then again, we are young people, and cool.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 07:41 (seven years ago) link

https://medium.com/@TenPercent/message-to-disabled-people-regarding-owen-smith-mps-leadership-bid-2de1eda0fd8d#.vfxbjg4o6

On Saturday 7th March 2015 I attended a Labour meeting in Pontypridd at which the guest speaker was Owen Smith MP, then shadow secretary of state for Wales. When questions were invited from the floor, I asked Mr Smith why, given that the Work Capability Assessment (WCA) has been responsible for a great many more deaths than the Bedroom Tax, Labour had pledged to scrap the Bedroom Tax but had said nothing about pledging to scrap the WCA. Mr Smith replied that Labour could not pledge to scrap the WCA because this would make Labour appear weak on benefits in the eyes of the media and compromise Labour’s general-election chances.

I posted this on Facebook and a journalist took it up and posted the story online. Subsequently the journalist was threatened with legal action by Mr Smith if he did not take the story down. I was very intimidated by the prospect of defending myself in court, and I had no money for a legal defence. In addition my Labour colleagues were terribly keen to maintain good relations with Mr Smith and would probably have backed Mr Smith and not me if it came to a court case (one of them had even contacted the journalist and briefed against me). So I asked the journalist to pull the story and I deleted references to it on Facebook.

I am publicising this incident now because I am very concerned about Mr Smith’s attitude toward disabled people and particularly to his views that the deaths of disabled people are less important than Labour’s “tough on benefits” standing in the right wing press. If he threatens me with legal action again it will be incredibly stressful and will probably exacerbate my disability-related ill-health. But I believe it is important that Mr Smith’s attitudes to the WCA and to disability rights (and freedom of speech!) be robustly challenged if he stands for the Labour leadership. And because we should be able to discuss things that profoundly impact on us, like the WCA, without being intimidated into silence by threats of legal action. I am happy to provide more details to journalists who can contact me at lvanzy✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧’

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 08:15 (seven years ago) link


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