Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

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172 in fact

JimD, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

he needs 51 nominations from either Lab MPs or MEPs, and afaict there are only about a dozen or so who actually want him to be leader. but yes, I think that he could well end up getting enough nominations anyway due to the pressure on MPs from their local parties, fear of splitting the party and recognition that a leader elected without Corbyn on the ballot would be seen as lacking legitimacy.

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link

A few commenters here in need of a bracing fiery death

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/752902183012753408

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link

i'm not too sure that there's any point expecting honour or basic political intelligence from these fuckers tbh

and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link

real somewhere that the number of nominations needed for a leadership contest where there is no incumbent is only 15% of the PLP and MEPs, rather than the 20% needed when the election is a challenge against an incumbent leader, so theoretically Corbyn could stand down as leader and then would need fewer nominations. which seems farcical, but is in keeping with the general slapstick nature of the last few weeks

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link

A few commenters here in need of a bracing fiery death

Starting with all these cunts going on about "new, kinder politics" all the fucking time

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

Is there any possibility that Eagle is targeting herself as some kind of machiavellian move that seems a little too obvious.
Playing the victim does seem one tactic, but does is it one electable?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link

doubt it, there's enough understandably enraged people, ne'er-do-wells and idiots to go around

and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link

xp top tip - when a female public figure is claiming harassment, the burden of proof is really really far on the side of those claiming she's making it up.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link

omg

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/752915337939718144

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link

young passionate supporter of neolib economics

and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

Wonder if the rallies Angela has will bring the same numbers in as Jeremy's short notice meetings did?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

ppl suggesting that the Corbyn lookalike thing is a set up, I was hoping that it was just some hapless bearded gentleman who happened to walk past and had no idea was going on

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLkyboWAAAAtfb.jpg

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link

The Jamie Vardy lookalike is on the phone now giving him tips.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link

The Vardy lookalike has been getting abuse since Norwexit

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

Corbyn on the ballot!

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

poor Angela Eagle

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link

So does that mean that Eagle is going to go by what she said earlier?
THough i have just heard that Owen Smith is also on. So not sure what that will mean.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link

I mean it's despicable that this was even in question enough that people should have to feel relieved about this outcome but

hahahaha

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link

My guess is there'll be loads of them on the ballot paper and they'll all get out of the way for whoever ends up polling get closest to Corbyn.

Or they could all dumbly run up against each other and split the vote again, who even knows.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link

Can't actually remember the last time I heard some good news in politics, but otoh what a bag of arses they all look

coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link

stoked for the Dan Jarvis campaign where the leaflets just have the words "army man" in different fonts and sizes at random intervals

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link

"It's a man's life in the Parliamentary Labour Party."

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link

I paid a pound

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:16 (seven years ago) link

Their next cunning plan will be to borrow a few million off Murdoch and pay a click farm to give Eagle 200000 fake Labour members :p

As much as I immensely dislike what the likes of Eagle represent and how they conduct themselves, I do almost genuinely feel sorry for her now.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link

Nobody who registered in the last six months will be allowed to vote, according to the BBC - so whatever recruitment push Saving Labour were going for clearly didn't work. It's also being reported that the £3 registered supporters need to pay £25 to vote this time.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link

fucking ponzi scheme!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

I'd pay the £25, but ffs!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link

Seems bizarre that you can't vote if you became a member five months ago but can if you register to pay £25 as a non-member in the two-day window they're opening up.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

I want my pound back

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

people who joined since Feb would be able to vote if they pay the £25 supporter fee, I guess? it does seem silly

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

It seems like they do actually have a plan after all.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link

He's going to walk it.

AlanSmithee, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

Labour party sure getting creative in response to threats to its trade union funding.

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

I don't even know if i will be able to vote. As a low-down scratter member I only pay them £1.96 a month - they were asking me for more and I respectfully explained I've not even had a holiday for 4 years so get fucked!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link

£25 fee is higher than the annual membership rate under-27s, trade unionists and those who are unemployed retired or work fewer than 16 hours a week: https://join.labour.org.uk/

difficult to see how the higher fee doesn't totally negate the point of the registered supporter scheme, I guess it would have been impossible for them to get rid of it all together? or figure that anti-Corbyn types who are willing to sign up to vote against him have more disposable income

xp to calzino

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link

labour.org seems to have been overwhelmed!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link

Trying to rig the voting system towards your own dastardly end was what got them into this mess:p How much can Corbyn do to challenge these changes?not much I'd guess.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

Was the guy who was on BBC News channel saying that Corbyn was killing the Labour party after the announcement of him being on the ballot was announced really saying that the Unions were too?
That's how I heard it as I was working away on the computer. But can't tell if that could be real.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

Most reportage of Corbyn on the beeb ranges from sneering contempt to barely disguised hatred.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

do you mean this John McTernan interview? it's quite, um, something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IBqJlG7CL0

soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I think so.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

don't mind the Labour Party dying if it means douchebags like McTernan have to go and do something else instead

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link

Lol blaming Corbyn for brexit is something alright!

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

🎶 I paid 25 quid into the Halifax, just to watch a party die 🎶

apologies to Johnny Cash

calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link

still shd have had a "losing team gets the fuck out of the party" clause

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

Not totally sure if me asking my union branch to switch my subs to the Labour affiliated fund last week was too little too late out here

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

Even by Labour's recent history of giving shambles a good name, today's meeting of the ruling NEC takes the biscuit.

Because at the end of the meeting, after a couple of pro-Corbyn members had left, and Corbyn himself had gone, a vote was taken on a motion not on the agenda, to exclude from the leadership vote anyone who joined the party in the past six months. So the 130,000 who signed up since Brexit, most of whom are thought to be Corbyn supporters, will be unable to vote.

Now whatever you think of Corbyn, this looks and smells like gerrymandering by his opponents.

Corbyn will definitely attempt to get the vote over-turned. And he may resort to the law, since Labour's website made clear that membership bought a vote.
As for those who joined since January, they will be revolting.

That said, if anyone wants to take part in the election, they now have two days to pay £25 and become a registered supporter.
Which is the first example of the much feared post-Brexit inflation, since till today it cost just £3 to be such a voting supporter.

Robert Peston on Facebook.

Tempted to join BAME Labour for £5, which is apparently one of the cheaper ways to vote, but a large part of me just wants this whole mess to be over with. If this attempt doesn't work, they'll keep trying every nine months until one does.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

lots of ppl on twitter seem to think that joining a union should be enough to get a vote


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