Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

If there is a snap election I'd be very surprised if Labour win, but I genuinely think there is a much higher chance of doing so under Corbyn than Eagle cos at least it's proven that a significant proportion of the electorate actually like him. And if they lose, I'd much rather the Corbynistas in opposition than the Blairites. So a no brainer really.

Though whether an election loss under Jezza would lead to the hard left retaining any kind of influence on the party is questionable, I guess. Either way, we don't have much to lose so we may as well go with our principles at this point.

ty for that link NV, i missed it on the other thread

yes that gilbert article is great

The thousands of #keepcorbyn comments on Eagle's facebook page!

photos of the window of angela eagle's office boarded up with vote remain placards :*(

how Frank Field was involved in undermining the hard-left Labour candidate Lol Duffy in '87 (I remember the local freesheet going to town on the "Marxist")

Marxist was accurate in Duffy's case though, he was a member/"supporter" of the trot group that became Alliance for Workers' Liberty (who seem to have been the only far-left party to have supported a Remain vote this year afaict)

17-15 win for the second vote on whether Corbyn should be on the ballot to be secret.

It's being taken as a strong indication they'll keep him off it.

Then it will look like an enormous stitch-up, and whoever gets in will face an immediate and ongoing crisis of legitimacy.

If they keep Corbyn off the ballot expect everyone to bundle in and Angela Eagle to be nowhere in the final voting.

and the number of votes to plummet

if they do try to keep him off the ballot then I can only imagine it will be a disaster, even from the pov of the Labour right. the pressure to reverse the decision will be immense, Corbyn's stand against the corrupt establishment will become the one and only issue of the whole leadership election campaign, and any discussion of his failings as leader will be off the agenda. I can't see any way that this would work out well for his opponents - I guess they hope they can tough it out and Corbyn's supporters will just leave the party in frustration?

they can't keep him off the ballot, he'll just have to be 51'ed on to it like everyone else. same difference really but

to think of all the unheeded warnings that scottish labours' intimate intwinement in the better together campaign could alienate their voters for good

It's nice that the Labour Party are finally working together to save Britain from a grave and terrible threat

Who would have guessed the threat would be a guy who cares about justice and welfare for poor people but isn't that great at working the media! I never would have, lucky I'm not an MP!! :)

I mean I can imagine a situation where they force Corbyn to get the noms and enough no-confidence PLP voters are self-aware enough to realise what a fuckup it'd be to keep him out, so they nominate him anyway. It'd only need 11 out of 140ish right?

172 in fact

he needs 51 nominations from either Lab MPs or MEPs, and afaict there are only about a dozen or so who actually want him to be leader. but yes, I think that he could well end up getting enough nominations anyway due to the pressure on MPs from their local parties, fear of splitting the party and recognition that a leader elected without Corbyn on the ballot would be seen as lacking legitimacy.

A few commenters here in need of a bracing fiery death

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/752902183012753408

i'm not too sure that there's any point expecting honour or basic political intelligence from these fuckers tbh

real somewhere that the number of nominations needed for a leadership contest where there is no incumbent is only 15% of the PLP and MEPs, rather than the 20% needed when the election is a challenge against an incumbent leader, so theoretically Corbyn could stand down as leader and then would need fewer nominations. which seems farcical, but is in keeping with the general slapstick nature of the last few weeks

A few commenters here in need of a bracing fiery death

Starting with all these cunts going on about "new, kinder politics" all the fucking time

Is there any possibility that Eagle is targeting herself as some kind of machiavellian move that seems a little too obvious.
Playing the victim does seem one tactic, but does is it one electable?

doubt it, there's enough understandably enraged people, ne'er-do-wells and idiots to go around

xp top tip - when a female public figure is claiming harassment, the burden of proof is really really far on the side of those claiming she's making it up.

omg

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/752915337939718144

young passionate supporter of neolib economics

Wonder if the rallies Angela has will bring the same numbers in as Jeremy's short notice meetings did?

ppl suggesting that the Corbyn lookalike thing is a set up, I was hoping that it was just some hapless bearded gentleman who happened to walk past and had no idea was going on

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLkyboWAAAAtfb.jpg

The Jamie Vardy lookalike is on the phone now giving him tips.

The Vardy lookalike has been getting abuse since Norwexit

Corbyn on the ballot!

poor Angela Eagle

So does that mean that Eagle is going to go by what she said earlier?
THough i have just heard that Owen Smith is also on. So not sure what that will mean.

I mean it's despicable that this was even in question enough that people should have to feel relieved about this outcome but

hahahaha

My guess is there'll be loads of them on the ballot paper and they'll all get out of the way for whoever ends up polling get closest to Corbyn.

Or they could all dumbly run up against each other and split the vote again, who even knows.

Can't actually remember the last time I heard some good news in politics, but otoh what a bag of arses they all look

stoked for the Dan Jarvis campaign where the leaflets just have the words "army man" in different fonts and sizes at random intervals

"It's a man's life in the Parliamentary Labour Party."

I paid a pound

Their next cunning plan will be to borrow a few million off Murdoch and pay a click farm to give Eagle 200000 fake Labour members :p

As much as I immensely dislike what the likes of Eagle represent and how they conduct themselves, I do almost genuinely feel sorry for her now.

Nobody who registered in the last six months will be allowed to vote, according to the BBC - so whatever recruitment push Saving Labour were going for clearly didn't work. It's also being reported that the £3 registered supporters need to pay £25 to vote this time.

fucking ponzi scheme!

I'd pay the £25, but ffs!

Seems bizarre that you can't vote if you became a member five months ago but can if you register to pay £25 as a non-member in the two-day window they're opening up.

I want my pound back

people who joined since Feb would be able to vote if they pay the £25 supporter fee, I guess? it does seem silly

It seems like they do actually have a plan after all.

He's going to walk it.