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new tamiyo http://s3.gatheringmagic.com/uploads/2016/07/01/EH_1.jpg

main abilities are good, omniscience + draw 3 not too shabby as ultimates go

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 July 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link

potential gross addition to bant humans

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 1 July 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link

that's pretty underwhelming for a 3 color planeswalker, especially since all the abilities are in blue's color pie so it didn't need to be more colors

ciderpress, Friday, 1 July 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link

bant humans doesn't have many non-creature slots available really though yeah that is the only deck it works in. could see it showing up as a 1-2 of

ciderpress, Friday, 1 July 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

oh i missed that you can use the +1 on your opponents creatures that helps make it less bad when you're behind since it's still a draw 2 + soak some damage

ciderpress, Friday, 1 July 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link

that is a good point, they really didn't do anything at all mechanically to justify the change from u to wug

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 July 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

well 'draw a card on combat damage' is more of a green thing, blue gets draw a card on damage to opponent only. but there's no white ability for sure

ciderpress, Friday, 1 July 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link

(me, looking at spoilers for the new set): this one has grown old and bitter

( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 2 July 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

yeah I hate eldrazi decks so much that I actually hope they don't print good cards

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 16:49 (seven years ago) link

the emerge cards/mechanic is troubling to me

ciderpress, Saturday, 2 July 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/distendedmindbender.jpg
this card is going to come down on turn 4, be a 5/5, and take your removal spell and win condition. i don't want to deal with this. they have been burned on cost reduction mechanics every time, how is this going to be any different

ciderpress, Saturday, 2 July 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

its kind of a nonbo w/ thought-knot seer i guess??

( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 2 July 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link

cider you usually have fun modern decks - what should i play this season? i havent played modern since early march

( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 2 July 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link

i haven't played much modern lately, the only thing i've tried was the through the breach primeval titan deck which is decent, it's basically just a scapeshift deck that goes off a turn earlier at the cost of some resilience
this is the list more or less: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/419539#online

ciderpress, Saturday, 2 July 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link

I think the suicide zoo deck is pretty fun though it only seems to put up good results online

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link

agree about emerge, dunno if any of the spoiled cards are broken but I wouldn't be surprised if they threw in a pushed card or two ensure the mechanic sees play.

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

'to ensure that'

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link

that one i linked and the craterhoof-like one look somewaht pushed to me

ciderpress, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

obv the latter requires a specific deck but it'd be really good if that deck exists

ciderpress, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link

I think the colored mana for both of those two limits the power of those two in modern/legacy. any emerge card with a single colored mana in its emerge cost seems really dangerous since it doesn't require any real dedication to that color. like that 3/4 flying could be cast t2 in modern with an eldrazi temple and mimic.

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link

in standard maybe those two do have a deck

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link

wait I did the math wrong it can't be t2 5u-2-2 still requires 1u

iatee, Saturday, 2 July 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Grim Flayer seems like a strange choice for a Mythic

frogbs, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 15:01 (seven years ago) link

it's potentially pretty powerful i guess

ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link

i am excited for this aggro self mill BG deck in draft, i hope it is a real thing

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link

looks more like a wannabe constructed thing, we've seen 2 uncommons and a mythic so far

ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link

chaos reveler seems...pretty good? draw 3 cards, big body, reduced casting cost mechanic...

iatee, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's solid

ciderpress, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link

maybe this + thing in the ice could work in some super grindy blue moon deck in modern

iatee, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link

Stunning Growth

Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped for 3G.

Can't imagine any ridiculous shenanigans coming from this one....

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link

i like that one, i don't think there's anything too dumb you can do with it though

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:28 (seven years ago) link

'imprisoned in the moon' is a sweet card name

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

i hope this means we're done with the eldrazi for a while

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

I can't believe they think this terrible story line is better than they stuff they used to do. lili joins the superhero team and they imprison emrakul in the moon. okay.

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link

Since its launch into orbit, the moon had begun building up large amounts of white mana, which Gerrard Capashen believed could be used to slay the now-godike Yawgmoth. Gerrard took Weatherlight up to the far side of the moon and had the ship punch straight through it, cracking it like an egg and channeling the released mana through Weatherlight into Yawgmoth. This caused massive damage to Yawgmoth, but ultimately failed to kill him and only resulted in the death of Weatherlight's consciousness.

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link

that's still way better

I think I just hate the planeswalker superleague

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

yeah i've probably rambled about this on here before but the foundation for mtg lore has shifted from bad fantasy novels to superhero comics. i spent my childhood reading the former and not the latter so it's a pretty negative change for me

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link

i do think making the story much more tightly woven in with the game itself is a reasonable thing to do but it's extremely limiting. i would guess the current approach probably works for the kind of audience that the story is going to have a real impact upon, particularly younger players. i'd love them to actually take advantage of the limitations of the format for storytelling in a similar way that the dark souls series has but that would have a pretty narrow appeal.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link

I wonder if this has something to do w/ the superhero movie boom, the mtg movie has been in the works for years now and maybe they think there's some way to turn it into the next x-men franchise

imprisoned in the moon actually seems pretty strong fwiw, gives mono-u an answer to any creature/planeswalker/land across formats

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link

they've moved back towards the approach they used in tempest thru invasion blocks where they show actual story moments on the cards (e.g. fall of the titans, anguished unmaking, tragic arrogance, why are they all removal spells idk), rather than just pure worldbuilding with the story as a supplemental thing which is what they did for a while. the difference is either that the story isn't as good now or we all grew up, probably some of both.

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link

also the novelty aspect is gone

it's just funny cause maro seems to be so excited about all the work their writers have done and who knows maybe their market research supports that and there are a bunch of kitchen table types who are just thrilled every time they see jace and gideon on a card. I think an extended return to dominaria and the original urza/mishra storyline would probably be hugely successful. time spiral + coldsnaps were failures cause 1000 mechanics + poorly developed set not because of their flavor.

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

yeah i agree with that. i do think with 2 blocks a year that we'll see dominaria again before too long but i'm not sure at this point that they'd do an actual retro magic story rather than just send the planeswalker justice league there

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link

I liked Time Spiral block a lot but it should've been clear to them that it wasn't going to appeal to anyone who wasn't a long-time player already and that's why it's looked upon as a 'failure'. I've found the #1 complaint from new players is that there are just too many words and terms to memorize and TSP block took that to a ridiculous degree. Plus Sprout Swarm which seemed like it was...not playtested at all

FWIW I thought Coldsnap was reasonably well developed, but 3x a small set isn't going to be a good format no matter what you do. The novelty of drafting it with Ice Age and Alliances wears off pretty quick when you realize how low the power level of those old cards really were - so many random downsides and cards with 6 lines of texts that ultimately don't do anything.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link

I'm not into the mock-superhero stuff at all but I'm not the target audience - I still find it less embarassing than the Weatherlight stuff, though, which really makes me feel bad about the hobby every time I encounter it. I did like the "self-contained sad stories" vibe they went with in between but it's not at all marketable and it's not like anyone was "engaged" with it, it just felt, like, non-awful.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 7 July 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

Also Martin Shkreli <3 <3 https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4rm2x6/advice_for_a_new_and_wealthy_player/ this game is home to so much beautiful stupidity i love itttttt

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 7 July 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link

not sure he'll actually do it, but someone who really wants to mess w/ the secondary market could do wonders with $1m

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link

I know, the whole idea is pretty funny

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link

We already know he'd spend that much for a wu-tang album

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

there was a massive buyout of Lions Eye Diamonds which caused the price to spike a good amount

frogbs, Thursday, 7 July 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

i have a playset of serra's sanctums which is suddenly worth $500 instead of $100 i dont know what happened there

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link


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