Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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And in a general election you can have candidates of a split Labour standing against one another in Labour strongholds - UKIP can win some seats then.

The only time Corbyn's likely to have any influence over them is if they did split and later needed his party's backing in a coalition.

I can't seem them doing it though. If it was a neat geographical split or a smaller party, perhaps, but this is a political machine that is hugely divided at every level throughout the country. How does, for example, Angela Eagle even campaign effectively as an MP if her local constituency party fails to follow her into the new party? How does Name TBC survive without unions, etc?

have been wistfully thinking about matt dc's 'end of season finale' thing from the hazy days of the newscorp crisis, jesus what innocent times those were

― coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:26 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

Yeah I think the whole series might be about to finish. Maybe there'll be a spin-off, or at least a few extras for the box set.

How does, for example, Angela Eagle even campaign effectively as an MP if her local constituency party fails to follow her into the new party? How does Name TBC survive without unions, etc?

They are clever people, sure they'll come up with something by conference time. They plotted this psychodrama for long enough.

Aaaaaaand Boris has appointed Lynton Crosby to lead his campaign, which is like putting a petrol bomb on a fire.

had got it down to persistent anxiety and misery, now right back up to Friday/Monday levels of sick terror again.

there was this telegraph story is suggesting that if Corbyn stays Labour MPs are considering "breaking away" but still staying in the Labour party, it seems crazy but who knows:

The idea is for the PLP to elect a new leader, create its own shadow cabinet and effectively begin operating as a distinct Labour Party totally separate from Mr Corbyn.

Crucially, Labour rebels believe they would have control of “short money”, the public funding given to political parties for staffing and organisation.

It would create technical difficulties within Parliament, such as who leads Prime Minister’s Questions. Some experts have suggested John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, would decide who the official Opposition leader is in such circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/labour-rebels-plan-party-within-a-party/

that is nuts

hey the Papacy pulled this off for decades

LOL who is the baddest baddie to get the funds

I'm all for skipping a boring leadership election to see this in action.

Surely Angela Eagle isn't the best they can come up with?

She'd keep headline writers happy for a generation though.

and in Labour 2016, that's all that matters

Beyond the matter of the Labour leadership and whether it's one party or two, I just don't see people answering the key question of what position can be taken on Brexit. Well, Paul Mason did, by saying they have to respect the will of the people and not campaign to rejoin/sabotage Brexit. But years of "Well, we are where we are, it's not what I would have done but let's make the best of it because we're not going to try to change it" is not a very strong vibe to give out.

Tories hit with this too, but they're likely to get Boris as leader and a few other frontbench Brexiters so it's not so bad for them.

/ a weird consensus of usually conflicting interests (free-market fundamentalists, garden variety Little England Tories, sovereignty wonks, socialists, fascists, anxious or angry working class voters, morons etc /

^^^ matt dc otm

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGeorgeGalloway/videos/10154221853780797/

keep calm and carry on!

the look as he says it! gwan george:P

too much news. can everyone stop fucking newsing pls
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmDWbvTWQAAE_59.jpg

If Boris gets the leadership we're on the dark path I think. He craves popularity far too much (and is too fundamentally awful) to resist the shit directions he'll be driven by the forces at play here. And no election just makes that massively worse.

Having two separate Labour factions is just an insane, unworkable idea. You'd end up with a situation like the SDP in the eighties, which resulted in neither side being electable due to the split in votes. Madness!

It almost feels like history repeating, in some respects.

The four left the Labour Party as a result of the January 1981 Wembley conference which committed the party to unilateral nuclear disarmament and withdrawal from the European Economic Community. They also believed that Labour had become too left-wing, and had been infiltrated at constituency party level by Trotskyist factions whose views and behaviour they considered to be at odds with the Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour voters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-eagle-backs-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-motion-of-no-confidence_uk_5772a5d8e4b08d2c563a1dea?f8kfvm96fk02kjra4ijust

Crick is reporting that Burnham is about to jump, along with three of the people Corbyn appointed yesterday. Still no sign of a challenger.

Burham has denied it

https://twitter.com/andyburnhammp/status/747880452711653376

Yes, i just saw that. Good on him.

‏Crick also tweeted this earlier, good times for fans of political farce:

@MichaelLCrick
SNP Parliamentary leader Angus Robertson may claim at PMQs tmrw he should be deemed Leader of Opposition as has 56 MPs behind him; Corbyn 40

Any truth to the idea that Fabian's and/or Portland Communications is behind the coup?

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/27/tony-blairs-crony-elite-want-to-snatch-labour-back-from-the-working-class/

I don't see how Blair's crony elite snatch back the votes from the working class.

not sure that any of them seriously think they could win an election under one of their own

Blab blab bland

Sorry, my drunk girlfriend got hold of my phone on the train home

Devastating political insight tbf

"The failed Britain Stronger In Europe campaign has been run by executive director Will Straw, the son of Jack Straw"

I had more respect for the little tosser when he was selling weed:p

hypnic jerk (rushomancy) wrote this on thread Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era on board I Love Everything on 28-Jun-2016

"The only alternative to not stabbing them in the back is cutting our own throats though.

― stet"

honestly, a lot of the damage has been done already. the metaphor i'd go for is that the majority of voters have stabbed britain in the face. i can't say for sure that this won't prove fatal to britain, and certainly i understand the desire for self-preservation, but i do think there needs to be an understanding of the cost. failing to honor the results of this referendum would not just be a stab in the back to the voters, but to global democracy, which is already being pretty sorely threatened everywhere.

right now, there is a man running for president of the united states, and he is getting up and cheering britain, and he is saying that this is what he wants america to be like. and those of us with the slightest bit of sense in our heads, we are horrified, because here's somebody openly proclaiming that, if elected, he will immediately turn the entirety of the most powerful country in the world into a disaster area. a guy like that doesn't

Feel like ive done a good deed for the day somehow by slogging that far into that post tbh

Sorry, my drunk girlfriend got hold of my phone on the train home

― imago, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 22:49 (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO, ESTE ES FALSO

Feel like ive done a good deed for the day somehow by slogging that far into that post tbh

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac)

joke's on you- everyone who actually finishes reading one of my posts gets a free beer

(not counting this one)

apologies, my previous post was typed by my curvy co

gonna repost every ilf salsa shark post ever

Not tryin to pick on you rushomancy, these are shit times etc, but that one was a dud im afraid.

weve all had em, beckett that shit up and go again i will support u

pull yourself together tt, this situation calls for *hic* *vomit*

wins i cannot nurse u with bottles of water and so forth, be well

Okay I'm going to shut this one down now, we can use the Brexit thread for UK politics from now on.

Fight over Europe! Hammer the Scots! Pay down the debt Labour ran up! Gerrymander the wards! Ban immigrants! Increase the cuts! Sell the NHS! Open consultations on a draft paper for proposal for a British Bill of Rights! Vote for Boris! Sign TTIP! Ban Porn! Spy on Everything!

Is there anything to look forward to?

― stet, Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:58 AM (1 year ago)

No, FYI.