U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

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Wow, this abortion ruling is a serious pick-me-up. I always felt good about the chances of those statutes getting struck down, because they so nakedly failed rational-basis testing and wear their desire to subvert the spirit of the law on their sleeves... kinda thing that just wouldn't sit right even with justices who are lukewarm on abortion... but still.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link

as usual with Breyer his opinions are impossible to read without uploading a legalese app into my brain

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link

I know HB2 is the big story but can anyone tell me why Sotomayor dissented against gun bans for people convicted of domestic violence? All the news stories just lay out Thomas' (dumb) dissent without detailing her logic.

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link

I'm looking at her bit now but was coming to quote Thomas' dissent, which fills three pages with hypotheticals concerning The Angry Plate Thrower and The Angry Door Slammer.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

well, she joined the first two parts of Thomas' dissent.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

Don't forget the Texting Father!

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

See, this is when I miss Nino most: when he's dissenting.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:12 (seven years ago) link

he's decomposing now, which is much better imo

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link

so does the TX abortion ruling make it more difficult for states to pass similar laws? or does it just mean that every time a state passes something like this, there will be another multi-year process for it to wind through the courts until maybe it gets struck down again?

asking as someone fairly ignorant about how SC precedents get applied to the state lawmaking process

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link

It establishes precedent; it's the most far-reaching abortion rights case since Casey.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

it means similar laws are likely to be struck down, and new laws will have to recognize it as established precedent

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

the anti-choice machine was prepared to start installing TRAP laws in states throughout the south/midwest if this passed through the court
curious to see how texas rebounds this on both sides of the issue

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

yeah the big thing is that there's a clear, applicable, and stringent precedent which limits any and all state laws restricting abortion rights. i don't know the national scene, but i can say for sure that indiana just this year passed a law placing some pretty severe restrictions on abortion access, restrictions which seem unlikely to pass the test the court established in this opinion.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Monday, 27 June 2016 16:37 (seven years ago) link

yeah, I guess my question is whether this will stop states from passing similar laws or will we see more laws like this and a protracted effort to fight it out in the courts despite the ruling.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

it will stop states from passing similar laws for the same reason states don't pass laws for other things that supreme court has ruled illegal - it will be instantly challenged in court and struck down at the circuit level

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link

ok, that makes sense

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link

LA/MS/AL, which have restrictions similar to TX, will have to be dragged kicking and screaming.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link

Yeah IIRC it's basically like, if some other state passes a similar law, much lower-level courts can rule it out right away like "look, this is already settled and we're busy, your law is unconstitutional, open-and-shut case" and higher courts can deny appeal pretty straightforwardly. The ruling reaffirms Casey, which was a shaky compromise ruling, by a court swinging rapidly rightwards; a different court would have used today's case as an opportunity to gut it entirely. Instead we've been told that Casey's "substantial obstacle/undue burden" language has teeth, and applies to weasely and arbitrary real-world laws. Medical-expert testimony trumps vague assertions by legislators as to the purpose and effects of abortion legislation. Huge win for common sense (invoked throughout to cut through the fog of lame counterarguments).

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

xpost

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

in other news the alabama supreme court is still claiming that obergefell is invalid, to no apparent effect.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Monday, 27 June 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link

Going over what cases they'll hear next and what they won't:

http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/06/court-to-hear-major-new-controversies-next-term/

Per the comments re the impact of yesterday's abortion decision, I think we're already starting to see it play out on two levels via cases denied review. First, to quote the ACLU's sharing it out, "The Supreme Court declines to hear a case in which a pharmacy objected on religious grounds to rules that it serve women seeking emergency contraception. This lets a favorable lower court ruling stand."

https://www.aclu.org/news/supreme-court-declines-hear-case-about-religious-pharmacy-turning-women-away

Second, and most immediately applicable in terms of yesterday's decision, Wisconsin and Mississippi were both told to pound sand in terms of laws restricting abortion providers. Lower courts had thrown them out, both states had appealed to the Supreme Court and...denied.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-wisconsin-s-appeal-of-abortion/article_ab0f94fd-aef7-5d89-9d7c-a61333857460.html

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Also noteworthy that the Friedrichs/CTA case was denied review (in that they'd already split 4-4) and everything goes back to lower courts. The presumption is that the usual suspects are crossing their fingers hoping for a favorable Scalia replacement before trying again. As that's the specific case or sort of case I have a lot of vested interest in, I'll be keeping a close eye on it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link

yeah that's great

k3vin k., Thursday, 30 June 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link

last sentence is the kicker

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 June 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link

ha -- yeah, I've read that Nino line.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2016 22:41 (seven years ago) link

hey alfred so: when the voting acts right was put in place, or the part of it that mandated extra supervision of the states that had been especially egregious & so which needed monitoring -- was this just something the SC thought of? like they saw that this was a problem & so thought of a solution - a lil council that would monitor these specific areas -- & so created? + if so is this something they had done before/have done since? when i think of opinions like the recent abortion ruling, w/ginsburg setting out this v specific guidanc to lower courts, is there ever the likelihood that this kind of thing wd go beyond just opinion & into like an actual corrective model? i feel like it's necessary + intelligent + that i have only ever heard of it this one time.

ps ty for being my personal jurisprudential yahoo answers here

schlump, Friday, 8 July 2016 05:22 (seven years ago) link

the Court didn't order the extra supervision: it was in the original bill iirc.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 July 2016 10:41 (seven years ago) link

Yes

...the Voting Rights Act. Signed on Aug. 6, 1965, it was meant to correct “a clear and simple wrong,” as Lyndon Johnson said. “Millions of Americans are denied the right to vote because of their color. This law will ensure them the right to vote.” It eliminated literacy tests and other Jim Crow tactics, and — in a key provision called Section 5 — required North Carolina and six other states with histories of black disenfranchisement to submit any future change in statewide voting law, no matter how small, for approval by federal authorities in Washington. No longer would the states be able to invent clever new ways to suppress the vote. Johnson called the legislation “one of the most monumental laws in the entire history of American freedom,” and not without justification. By 1968, just three years after the Voting Rights Act became law, black registration had increased substantially across the South, to 62 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/magazine/voting-rights-act-dream-undone.html

curmudgeon, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

miss you Nino

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 September 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link

Still shaking my head at those 4 conservative justices that would have allowed the NC voting changes.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 September 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link

^ Onion-level

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 1 September 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link

definitely onion-level

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 September 2016 05:00 (seven years ago) link

Thomas is not having it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 10:27 (seven years ago) link

Thomas is not having it.

he's just jealous

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 September 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link

easy to imagine Clarence keeping a 5x7 framed photo of that making out couple on his desk.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link

asking his law clerks if they are hot or not

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 September 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link

It's based on an anecdote in one of Toobin's books: Thomas kept a photo of the lesbian clerk and her partner.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link

ew

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 September 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-band-idUSKCN11Z1UN

lol crazy

, Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/09/could-a-legal-love-triangle-scuttle-scotus-hopes-for-this-leading-jurist/

juicy goodwin liu drama!

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link

still want that guy to be president someday

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colin-kaepernick-rbg_us_57ff56ade4b0e8c198a62512

RBG needs to stop doing interviews

curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link


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