Society is in the gutter

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My teenage son recently informed me that there is an Internet quiz to test oneself for narcissism. His friend had just taken it. “How did it turn out?” I asked. “He says he did great!” my son responded. “He got the maximum score!”

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socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Another horrific attack, this time in Nice, France. Many dead and injured. When will we learn? It is only getting worse.

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 July 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

you know you're not going to change the world by running over random people with a truck. there was a time when you could do that, but that window of opportunity is closed.

― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 July 2016 23:48 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 July 2016 23:52 (seven years ago) link

tbt

mom us (map), Thursday, 14 July 2016 23:53 (seven years ago) link

trucks used to contain local goods

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 July 2016 06:53 (seven years ago) link

is this really the right thread title to talk about this under

imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 07:06 (seven years ago) link

no, it isn't, sorry

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 July 2016 08:19 (seven years ago) link

i was going to bump this yesterday with a quaint and wistful observation about how when young people used to throng the parks and streets, it was with a ball to kick, an ice-cream cone. now the only ball is on a screen, the ice-cream cone a virtual monster that isn't really there. they will never see the birds

imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 08:32 (seven years ago) link

oy

imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link

see what we have wrought

imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link

FWIW I was alive in the nineteen-seventies. Plenty of things sucked mightily then too. Some of the same things, some different things. Peace out y'all.

rhymes with month (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 July 2016 12:23 (seven years ago) link

40-50 years ago (and less), the kinds of US police shootings we've been enraged by of late would've been buried in the newspapers if they were noted at all.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 July 2016 12:28 (seven years ago) link

you all are not understanding this thread

lag∞n, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

no we do, we're trying to change it.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 July 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

there was a time you could open a newspaper and not have to read about african-american men murdered by police

simpler times

jim in vancouver, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link

you had a thread called "society is in the gutter" and people knew what it was for

ǂbait (seandalai), Saturday, 16 July 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link

Now youve said it, sean, now you have it

poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 July 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link

we used to appreciate threads - we didn't have many but we read them every day

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 16 July 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link

the threads were threads and thats all there was to it, now days... pokeman

lag∞n, Sunday, 17 July 2016 18:13 (seven years ago) link

would be nice if people caught some values along with those pokes.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 17 July 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link

Gutter catch 'em all, I say.

five memes that i can hardly stand to view (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 July 2016 00:16 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/7JeV84g.png

pplains, Monday, 18 July 2016 01:10 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I was killing some time in the staff room, as you do, and started reading a Dean R Koontz thriller called Dragon Tears. This was on page 2.

http://i.imgur.com/mZg02p5.jpg?1

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

the use of "no doubt" is key.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link

tbf Koontz might have been on to something with the "bad-tempered, evil minded trolls" bit

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link

in my day a troll was someone who would happily stay under his bridge, now it's all Twitter this, Facebook that

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link

mankind? more like ManUNkind if you ask me

https://metallica.com/blog/news/429181/hardwired-to-self-destruct-available-november-18-2

Neil S, Thursday, 18 August 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-doomed-mouse-utopia-that-inspired-the-rats-of-nimh

i condensed it for those who don't want to read the full article:

In 1947, to keep a close eye on his charges, Calhoun constructed a quarter-acre "rat city" behind his house, and filled it with breeding pairs. He expected to be able to house 5,000 rats there but over the two years he observed the city, the population never exceeded 150. At that point, the rats became too stressed to reproduce. They started acting weirdly, rolling dirt into balls rather than digging normal tunnels. They hissed and fought.

[...]

Most frightening are the parallels he draws between rodent and human society. "I shall largely speak of mice," he begins, "but my thoughts are on man." Both species, he explains, are vulnerable to two types of death—that of the spirit and that of the body. Even though he had removed physical threats, doing so had forced the residents of Universe 25 into a spiritually unhealthy situation, full of crowding, overstimulation, and contact with various mouse strangers. To a society experiencing the rapid growth of cities—and reacting, in various ways, quite poorly—this story seemed familiar. Senators brought it up in meetings. It showed up in science fiction and comic books. Even Tom Wolfe, never lost for description, used Calhounian terms to describe New York City, calling all of Gotham a "behavioral sink."

Convinced that he had found a real problem, Calhoun quickly began using his mouse models to try and fix it. If mice and humans weren't afforded enough physical space, he thought, perhaps they could make up for it with conceptual space—creativity, artistry, and the type of community not built around social hierarchies. His later Universes were designed to be spiritually as well as physically utopic, with rodent interactions carefully controlled to maximize happiness (he was particularly fascinated by some early rats who had created an innovative form of tunneling, where they rolled dirt into balls). He extrapolated this, too, to human concerns, becoming an early supporter of environmental design and H.G. Wells's hypothetical "World Brain," an international information network that was a clear precursor to the internet.

[...]

But there was one person who paid attention to his more optimistic experiments, a writer named Robert C. O'Brien. In the late '60s, O'Brien allegedly visited Calhoun's lab, met the man trying to build a true and creative rat paradise, and took note of the Frisbee on the door, the scientists' own attempt "to help when things got too stressful," as Calhoun put it. Soon after, O'Brien wrote Ms. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH—a story about rats who, having escaped from a lab full of blundering humans, attempt to build their own utopia. Next time, maybe we should put the rats in charge.

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 15 September 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvIpdKUWgAAlJau.jpg

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 October 2016 07:56 (seven years ago) link

excellent use of the rhetorical question there, A+

Neil S, Thursday, 20 October 2016 08:08 (seven years ago) link

"even 20 years ago an ambulance would have been called"

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 October 2016 09:39 (seven years ago) link

'would of' surely?

Patti Labelle is in here with her high but mediocre singing voice. (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 October 2016 09:59 (seven years ago) link

Lowering taxes to makes lower paid jobs more worthwhile would of helped this indolent gent get `back on his feet'

the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 October 2016 10:20 (seven years ago) link

that's amazing. garda you have to get some submissions into these 'have your say' newspaper things, it's a natural forum for reports from the gutter.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 20 October 2016 11:15 (seven years ago) link

struggling to accept that that isn't garda's work tbh

r|t|c, Thursday, 20 October 2016 11:33 (seven years ago) link

dunno if i could conjure up something this crazy - i can't stop thinking about it.

like it is on so many levels fascinating and horrible.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 October 2016 11:36 (seven years ago) link

Ou sont les negligence d'autrefois

the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 October 2016 11:41 (seven years ago) link

Whom shall be the one to call the ambulance? Not I.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 20 October 2016 11:54 (seven years ago) link

these days no ambulance attends the gutter, occasionally a battered uber will pass driven by a rat with a gold tooth

estela, Thursday, 20 October 2016 12:14 (seven years ago) link

Akeem Diko OTM. Leicester's title win was remarkable.

wingless yurp (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 October 2016 12:37 (seven years ago) link

lol estela

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 October 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link

lol x2!

calzino, Thursday, 20 October 2016 23:38 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/MxJackMonroe/status/790591668256997376

Neil S, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link

Probably more annoying are his kids who are always shouting MUMMY CAN YOU HELP ME at loud volumes and kicking footballs against the face.

Millions of species Faye Dunaway (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:16 (seven years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvn0X1uW8AAbAKl.jpg:large

Neil S, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

As long as the UK allows a large percentage of its young men to leave school, in a half [or less ] educated state, then the country will not prosper. My Victorian grandfather valued knowledge for its own sake---[he having left a village school aged 10]. Why today have the youth made hero's of the kickers of balls rather than the builders of bridges?
Why is getting drunk regarded as fun and not an illustration of ignorance? Why are nerds, hated at school? Nerds are more likely to be the future than the ignorant and stupid!

we used to not kick a ball in the street.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 3 February 2017 10:27 (seven years ago) link

My Victorian grandfather

LOL

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 3 February 2017 11:00 (seven years ago) link

Why today have the youth made hero's of the kickers of balls

so this fuckin' loser can neither kick a ball nor properly grasp the fundamentals of the english language eh

ripe fodder for the soylent green factories of post-brexit britain imo

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 3 February 2017 11:04 (seven years ago) link


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