Sasha Frere-Jones: Really?????

Our marriage ended, but the college boyfriend returned, decades later. He is with her now, still, like "Heroes," which is there for those who need it.

Apparently you can now keep college boyfriends in a cloud to access whenever you want them.

"Losing David Bowie isn't like losing your car keys or your wallet. I've experienced both. I am not sure where my car is right now actually."

http://cdn.sfstation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Stripper-mobile_5159-2.jpg

"Webster's Dictionary defines loss as the 'fact or process of losing something or someone'. I don't know that the disintegration of my marriage was precisely a process, but it is a fact that David Bowie was someone. And the two events are now forever intertwined in Webster's genius prose."

"I often wonder to myself what would have happened had George Martin worked with Bowie. Not the hack Martin of the Beatles, who I have never heard, but the mastermind behind Cheap Trick's 'All Shook Up,' or even Paul McCartney's definitive 'Give My Regards to Broad Street,' by which time Martin had figured out the whole production thing and used it to make good music great, rather than great music merely still great. And not the hack Bowie of the '70s, either, but the brilliant synthesizer of old and modern who came to maturity in the 1990s, when most lost the plot and only Bowie was brave enough to pick it up and continue the story. I wonder, and I wander, as my mind wanders in its wondering. Bother! Isn't there anybody here at all? Is anyone even listening? I peer down at a passing garbage truck and consider, if I flung myself from this highway and down into its mysterious contents, what would catch my fall? And would anyone see me lying there in the apples or tires or whatever and call out to me: what do you think of the new Radiohead? What does it mean to you? And what does it mean ... to me?"

in the interest of fairness, this is fine!

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-ca-ms-the-necks-20160403-story.html

(and not that it matters much, but that child's toy he mentions has an actual name and has been used in Asia for a gazillion years...)

As far as I can tell, his only response has been to post a link to Big Star's "Thank You Friends" via Twitter. Which is a classy move for some dude who Jim Derogatis doesn't like. I wonder what Legs McNeil and John Pareles and Lisa Robinson think of SFJ. Besides Ui, he also played in Dustdevils at one point, though he was in way over his head.

I love DeRo. Always salty, always fun. SOUND OPINIONS is one of my favorite radio shows

I actually don't mind DeRo, especially where he is now at NPR. He's a good reporter, etc. His problem is that as a critic he's often no less staid in his opinions than many of the people he rips on, and has not seemed willing to pursue or engage with or be curious about much outside his wheelhouse unless forced. Just because he makes fun of Springsteen and loves the Flaming Lips doesn't make his tastes any less boring. He carries himself with the swagger of a bomb thrower but he's tossing water balloons, most of which pop in his hands and make his socks wet. And then he has soggy socks, which suck.

MOST people throw water balloons and not bombs. certainly wouldn't single him out.

dero is legit not good as a critic, imo

^^^

guilty lulz at the bowie-piece clowning in this thread.

xpost But most people don't act like they're throwing bombs. They're all "I'm sorry, but I'm going to tell it straight, the new McCartney is not as good as the Beatles."

derogatis is not a terrible journalistic although he's obviously a terrible music critic

he mostly seems (rightfully though perhaps hyperbolically) resentful at frere-jones's lack of basic professionalism... his inability (or unwillingness) to be a journalist.

the weird thing is dero kicking frere-jones for his lack of "wit"--i don't think anything dero has written has risen to the level of "wit." frere-jones is a mediocre critic but i have, on occasion, gleaned a minor insight from his writing, while dero's "criticism" has mostly inspired me to wish i had banged my head against a desk instead.

er, i meant to write "journalist" rather than "journalistic". sorry.

this is one of those kerfuffles that makes me think that there should be a moritorium on middle aged white dudes writing about rock music.

I mean, while this particular kerfuffle about middle aged white male expense accounts is going on, this is also going on, and has absolutely no traction on ILM. Sleeve and Katherine seem uninterested, which surprises me about this much (fingers held a tiny little bit apart). But anyway, back to the middle aged white guys.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/zulu-nation-apologizes-to-alleged-afrika-bambaataa-abuse-victims-20160601

Why not link to the Bambaata thread where you were talking about it?

It didn't get any traction. I think we all agree that allegations that SFJ tried to expense a strip club trip are more important. And I think the search function still works.

what the fuck do sleeve and katherine have to do with it?

Nothing.

You're a shitstain

Let's just get back to the Jim Derogatis article. I hear he really takes SFJ down. I want to hear more about that.

Then why did you pass-agg call out sleeve on the Bambaataa thread, instead of discussing anything yourself?

That was quite a Bill O'Reilly move
Congrats dlp

I don't think anyone knows what thread you're referring to, as it's uninteresting. Whereas SFJ's misdeeds are major news. Can we please just get back to discussing this important issue. I hear he tried to expense a trip to a strip club.

dnftt

Why are you talking about Afrika Bambaataa instead of global warming

Why are we talking about anything except SFJ and a strip club. I hear that his writing wasn't up to snuff. And I can't think of any other important stories breaking right this moment in the music business.

Are you his publicist or what

Not one single other important story relating to the music business.

"Why are we talking about anything except SFJ and a strip club."

we are talking about that here. cuz we are on the SFJ thread. and we eat our own.

Maybe we should stop doing that.

Do you understand what a message board is?

xp can't believe you're dignifying this thread by posting on it. you're clearly part of the problem

"Maybe we should stop doing that."

you can! and you can go give that other story traction. on another thread.

I think it makes more sense just to post here for posterity when the first mention about that other minor story (Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, Daily News, Vibe, Billboard, Spin) gets referenced on ILM. Anyway, back to important ILM business. I hear that SFJ wrote a bad article about David Bowie.

go away

don't listen to brimstead. make the exact same point two dozen more times, I hear somebody will totally give you an award if you stick to your guns on this one

makes even more sense to post here for post-here-ity

I think it makes more sense just to post here for posterity when the first mention about that other minor story (Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, Daily News, Vibe, Billboard, Spin) gets referenced on ILM.

Which other minor story are you waiting to get its first mention on ILM?

i for one am INCENSED that nobody is talking about afrika bambaataa's abuse of teenaged boys in a thread devoted to... a music critic from the Los Angeles Times.

(the only reason i glance at DLP's posts is because for a split second i think they are by DJP.)

also, it's VERY IMPORTANT that we talk about VERY IMPORTANT THINGS like afrika bambaataa's abuse of teenaged boys because how else are important social problems going to be solved if we don't TALK ABOUT THEM ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD? if we talk about OTHER THINGS on this INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD then logically we are not talking about OTHER-OTHER VERY IMPORTANT THINGS that would be solved forever if we just TALKED ABOUT THEM.

DLP's got my back.

oh sorry, the thread skipped a bunch of posts and i see this has all been addressed with due sarcasm and dismissiveness. carry on.