Rolling 2016 Thread on Race

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I was wondering if dude was going to get offered a pass for being NZ or for being in Oklahoma.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:21 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, I was referencing Americans being apologetic for Australians being dumb about race. Like, say, an American rapper who had to walk back his comments about an Australian he mentored

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link

Our racism is surely different than in the US: its all about "we grew here, you flew here"/"go back where you came from" BS. And it is very ugly. Anyway I'm sure I'm preaching to le choir here on this.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce)

Surely they don't say that to the native (pre-Euro) Australians.

nickn, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 00:55 (seven years ago) link

don't underestimate the idiocy

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link

No, they just call all koori folk drunks and welfare cheats :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/05/five-elected-as-overseers/?link_id=0&can_id=63bc3a82f39ac828495b3b3ffa5194d3&source=email-congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers&email_referrer=congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers&email_subject=congratulations-to-the-newly-elected-overseers

This is really insider-baseball stuff around the Harvard Board of Overseers election but the breakdown is this:

- The admissions process takes into account both tangible and non-tangible factors when attempting to build a talented, diverse freshman class; one of those factors is race
- A group of conservatives who were opposed to the inclusion of race as a distinguishing criterion put together a slate of nominees under the name "Free Harvard, Fair Harvard" advocating for much greater financial aid across the board for all students oh and removing some the considerations that were allowing some of the black and Hispanic students in the door; they allied with a group of disgruntled Asian-Americans who felt that these considerations were artificially keeping the number of Asians at Harvard low to make space for less worthy students (side note: one does not need to be a Harvard graduate to run for Overseer)
- A good segment of the alumni base was appalled by this and put forward their own slate of nominees who were committed to the overall diversity initiatives that Harvard had committed to and was trying to improve, both in terms of admissions and on-campus support for the students who needed it once they got there; this group operated under the name Coalition for a Diverse Harvard
- A seriously contentious argument between the two factions raged across social media, with one side-effect being the discovery that one of the "Free Harvard, Fair Harvard" people was an attorney who sued UT Austin over "racial quotas" and another had spoken at an event with some white power groups
- As shown in that link, the Coalition won, thank god

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link

oh ALSO Ralph Nader was helping lead the charge on the Free Harvard/Fair Harvard side and was one of the names on the slate

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link

wtf Nader

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 23 May 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link

never forget, Nader wondered if Obama would be "an Uncle Tom for corporations" immediately after Obama won the presidency:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/nader-defends-obama-slur/?_r=0

He then redefined his entire political brand into "racebaiting from the left" so it's really not at all surprising that he would dive headfirst into this bullshit

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link

on the flip side, the thing Nader does best these days is lose elections so I have no idea why FHFH were so eager to partner with him

DJP, Monday, 23 May 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link

http://theundefeated.com/features/mission-impossible-african-americans-analytics/

(TW: sports) this is a really interesting topic that i wish were tackled by a better writer, and not one who's a stats-hating dinosaur

k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 May 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link

(ftr i have a lot of respect for wilbon's career, obviously, but i don't think it's a controversial opinion to say the industry's passed him by)

k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 May 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link

the second half of that article is a lot more interesting, to be sure, once i got through the groaners

Nhex, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Good, long Guardian piece on "the enduring whiteness of American journalism" by Howard French

da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 13:05 (seven years ago) link

that is insanely fucked up and sad beyond words.

ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link

stuck somewhere beteewn nausea & rage myself

da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link

Gizmodo jumps straight to the point:

http://gizmodo.com/yo-fuck-this-commercial-1778914903

DJP, Thursday, 26 May 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link

Without even clicking, I'm guessing that's the Chinese detergent ad.

pplains, Friday, 27 May 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link

Anyway. I thought it was a better idea when it went the other way.

http://i.imgur.com/Y2uIS04.jpg

pplains, Friday, 27 May 2016 02:11 (seven years ago) link

It wasn't a better idea

DJP, Friday, 27 May 2016 02:38 (seven years ago) link

I'm really bothered by the cal state fullerton thing. how the shit do you graduate in a class that's 40% latino and then get screaming mad when part of the commencement speech is in Spanish? How fucking pathetic and stupid and tiny-dicked do you have to be to think you have any cause to act like that? Who fucking raised you? I'm from fucking Alabama. I don't understand you children. Please leave.

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 May 2016 02:53 (seven years ago) link

This Alesha Dixon thing on another thread?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 29 May 2016 10:56 (seven years ago) link

Wait so this Alesha Dixon thing, the controversy is that a black woman told a bunch of black men that they were awesome black men? Is this accurate?

DJP, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link

(also I am bookmarking that Smithsonian link for a time when I am less likely to cry while reading it)

DJP, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link

goes w/out saying, but avoid the comments

Stop fucking avoiding the comments. Read them and understand what people are capable of.

DJP, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 15:55 (seven years ago) link

Wait so this Alesha Dixon thing, the controversy is that a black woman told a bunch of black men that they were awesome black men? Is this accurate?

― DJP, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 16:35

She called them "sexy chocolate men" and people on social media demanded she apologize or be fired and it has been said she isn't allowed to perform her new single on the talent show (might be unconnected though).

I think it's mostly white people who were complaining.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link

lol at mostly

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link

I didn't want to assume too much because I haven't trawled through enough

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link

So... yes, then.

What a stupid controversy

DJP, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

Stop fucking avoiding the comments. Read them and understand what people are capable of.

― DJP, Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:55 AM (3 hours ago)

well, i mentioned it because i didn't avoid them and learned nothing. ymmv.

Well, our (Scotland's) First Minister has said she won't meet Trump when he visits Scotland. It's for his golf resort, which was widely opposed but went ahead anyway. It's odd how much this election campaign has mentioned Britain - arguments about the mayor of London etc.

Also, I don't think Trump wants to be president - he just wants to be elected president. I.e. He wants to win, but that's all. Can you imagine how bored he would be as president? His biography doesn't show a guy who commits to jobs well. He's a quitter, really. (Not that quitter is an insult - I come from a long line of quitters, and I am proud to count myself amongst their ranks)

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link

It's odd how much this election campaign has mentioned Britain - arguments about the mayor of London etc.l

and yet trump had not the first fucking clue what brexit was in that hollywood reporter article from the other day

benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link

I didn't know his golf resort went ahead, I thought everyone opposed it. How did he get permission?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link

Ask Alex Salmond.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 June 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I have nothing to say about Alton Sterling. We've seen this so many times already, I have no idea what can be added to the conversation.

volumetric god rays (DJP), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

I guess I can say it's been 68 years since this happened in my family and we're still seeing it happen:

http://nuweb9.neu.edu/civilrights/mississippi/samuel-bacon/

volumetric god rays (DJP), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link

things have gotten edgy at The CW since America's Next Top Model went off the air

volumetric god rays (DJP), Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

(sorry)

volumetric god rays (DJP), Thursday, 7 July 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link

Feel like this anecdote is bound to get swallowed up, given all of the high-profile news these days. I just attended a wedding for two of my wife's colleagues. The bride was a white American. The groom was an immigrant from Chile. His entire family traveled to Maryland for the ceremony. After everyone walked up the aisle, the pastor (from the groom's side) began the ceremony in Spanish. About 15 seconds into it, from the wife's side: "Speak English!"

At a fucking wedding.

It came from a teenage kid, and his mother hushed him down immediately. And for our part, and like most of the guests, we were very friendly to the groom's family. But what the fuck, people?

how's life, Saturday, 9 July 2016 00:12 (seven years ago) link

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/corey_menafee/

faces a felony charge! fuck

, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:13 (seven years ago) link


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